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Crumpets
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« on: May 12, 2019, 06:05:51 PM »

I'm sorry, but anyone who believes that an 11-year-old rape victim should not have the unquestioned right to an abortion either gets off on cruelty or has a completely misguided sense of morality. In other words, you are a bad person. Reflect on yourself, and what morality even means. Morals aren't rules or laws - if only they were so simple.

And what if the unborn child actually IS a human being?

Morals aren't rules or laws; this is true.  But innocent human life ought to be inviolate.

Until the fetus has developed a discernible central nervous system (around the end of the first trimester), the organism is nothing more than a bunch of essentially unconnected cells in development and without sentience.

This is why a first trimester limit with exceptions is the most common sense position.

You were in that position once.  Why were you not worthy to live at that point?  Would it have been OK for someone to kill you at that point in human development in a way that made you feel physical pain?

That's what abortion is.  We've sanitized it a lot, but that's what it is. 

Views on abortion are almost inherently philosophical, rather than scientific, and the way we use words like "living," "pain," "feeling," and "human being," really varies from person-to-person in a way that is not easily matched to strict scientific definitions.

So, I would like to give you some advice if your view is that "it is not okay to kill someone in a way that made you feel physical pain" and that, if one feels pain, they are "worthy of life":

- You cannot support the death penalty in any context using any method
- You cannot support physician-assisted suicide
- Never swat a mosquito
- Never eat meat
- Never have your pets euthanized, no matter how much they are suffering. After all, that pain shows that they are worthy of life, even however brief.
- Never go hunting

If you do not abide by these rules, I can only assume you choose abortion as the one issue to apply your "ability to feel pain=life worth defending" rule to because it's a way for you to control women en masse and feel less insecure about women taking a role equal to men in society.
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Crumpets
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« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2019, 11:23:21 PM »

I mean, she's a real person; what do you say to her?

"I'm sure you're thankful to your parents for choosing to raise you. This does not give the government the power to tell everyone else they must make the same choice."
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Crumpets
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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2019, 08:16:44 PM »

If you believe in heaven, I don't see why saying there are a bunch of unborn children there would be such a leap of faith, comparatively speaking.

"When you go to Heaven, you'll be surrounded mostly by fertilized eggs that didn't implant!!" doesn't have the same ring to it as "When you go to Heaven, you'll be surrounded by your friends and family who have died!!"

I feel pretty confident in saying that most Americans would be weirded out by any priest or preacher who mentioned the first statement from the pulpit.

Off-topic, but personally I have a hard time imagining that heaven requires you to openly interact with all the other heavenly denizens. I seriously doubt my ex has done anything to preclude her from going to heaven, but if I have to spend an eternity in the afterlife with her living half a mile down Heaven Street, I may just have to become a disbeliever.
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