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« on: June 14, 2017, 05:57:35 PM »



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« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2017, 06:08:28 PM »

If anyone honestly think the GOP would impeach Trump, you're either naive or insane.

We don't need the whole GOP. Just enough to hit 218 in the House and 67 in the Senate. A tall order, but midterms + a hypothetical indictment make it much more attainable.
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« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2017, 06:44:12 PM »
« Edited: June 14, 2017, 07:43:14 PM by Crumpets »

If anyone honestly think the GOP would impeach Trump, you're either naive or insane.

We don't need the whole GOP. Just enough to hit 218 in the House and 67 in the Senate. A tall order, but midterms + a hypothetical indictment make it much more attainable.
Would 15 GOP senators vote to impeach?

Well, if it gets to the Senate, it would be a vote to convict, so I assume it would depend on what evidence Mueller puts forward, which will presumably not be for a while. If you're looking for a list of 15 Republicans who might vote against Trump, here's roughly my list based on Clinton-state Republicans, those with a moderate/maverick reputation, and those with a personal beef with Trump:

1. Sasse
2. Paul
3. Graham
4. McCain
5. Heller
6. Flake
7. Collins
8. Murkowski
9. Portman
10. Gardner
11. Rubio
12. Lee
13. Hatch
14. Corker
15. Cruz - it would certainly be interesting to watch the battle of "he said my dad killed JFK" vs. "I love how much everyone hates me" play out in Cruz's head
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« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2017, 07:13:15 PM »

I thought they've been investigating him for this the whole time. It shows how long and muddled the timeline is.

This is specifically on the charge of obstructing justice. Nobody really knows (although everyone assumes one way or the other) whether or when he has been investigated on charges of colluding with the Russians in interfering with the election.

In the end, it doesn't really matter, though, since both are impeachable offenses.
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E: -4.06, S: -6.52

« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2017, 07:42:17 PM »

If anyone honestly think the GOP would impeach Trump, you're either naive or insane.

We don't need the whole GOP. Just enough to hit 218 in the House and 67 in the Senate. A tall order, but midterms + a hypothetical indictment make it much more attainable.
Would 15 GOP senators vote to impeach?

Well, if it gets to the Senate, it would be a vote to convict, so I assume it would depend on what evidence Mueller puts forward, which will presumably not be for a while. If you're looking for a list of 15 Republicans who might vote against Trump, here's roughly my list based on Clinton-state Republicans, those with a moderate/maverick reputation, and those with a personal beef with Trump:

1. Sasse
2. Paul
3. McCain
4. Heller
5. Flake
6. Collins
7. Murkowski
8. Portman
9. Gardner
10. Rubio
11. Lee
12. Hatch
13. Corker
14. Young
15. Cruz - it would certainly be interesting to watch the battle of "he said my dad killed JFK" vs. "I love how much everyone hates me" play out in Cruz's head
I would add Graham to this list as well.

Ah yes. I thought I had him, but maybe my brain just reads McCain and just thinks Graham. Edited.
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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2017, 01:12:32 AM »

Since May 9th, it doesn't really matter anymore what relation the Trump campaign had with the Russians during the election, since the firing of James Comey made obstruction of justice a much easier target for prosecutors and those seeking impeachment. Nixon almost certainly had no knowledge of the Watergate break-in before it took place, and had he just let the investigation follow its course, he might have gotten away with just losing John Mitchell. The cover-up after the fact was what took down his entire administration.
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Crumpets
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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2017, 03:57:01 PM »

Petition to force Proud Moderate and English Pete to put each other on ignore.

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