Democrats only please...

[jokerman]

Senator Evan Bayh 8
Senator Joe Biden 6
Senator Russ Feingold 7
Senator Hillary Clinton 5

Governor Mark Warner 9
Governor Bill Richardson 6
Governor Tom Vilsack 5

Former VP Al Gore 7
Former Senator John Edwards 6
General Wesley Clark 8

[jokerman]

Senator Russ Feingold – 7 – All in all the most principled and decent Senator in office at the moment if you ask me, he is articulate, even charismatic… however his progressivism could place him to far to the left to be viable nationally.

How is he too far to the left? I think his positions would be extremely popular with the American people.

If he moderates his social views a little bit, Absolutely.  However, I do commend him for his principled stand on the PATRIOT Act.

[jokerman]

Now if only he'd get rid of the pro-affirmative action stance...

Do you really consider affirmative action an issue anymore?

Well, I doubt affirmative action is much of an issue in New Hampshire, but in the South, where qualified people are regularly rejected because someone chose a minority instead, it's still an issue.

This assumes the job was the white's to begin with and a black came along and stole it. Affirmative action merely requires an employer to publically announce a vacancy and then consider a variety of applicants, including qualified blacks if any apply. Since the late 1970s, it has been illegal to hire an applicant based only on race. Your wording above implies people are being hired only because they are black, and not because they are also qualified. I'm surprised someone as intelligent as you is falling for the assertion that unqualified blacks are stealing jobs from whites. In fact, the opposite is sometimes true that well-connected whites are getting jobs because of their connections and not their qualifications, thus denying a qualified minority applicant a real opportunity to compete for it.

Yes, but the black is still getting some benefit from it.  Consider if the black and white had equal qualifications, or even near equal qualifications, then the black would get it because of affirmative action.  It's unconstitutional and wrong.

[jokerman]

Now if only he'd get rid of the pro-affirmative action stance...

Do you really consider affirmative action an issue anymore?

Well, I doubt affirmative action is much of an issue in New Hampshire, but in the South, where qualified people are regularly rejected because someone chose a minority instead, it's still an issue.

This assumes the job was the white's to begin with and a black came along and stole it. Affirmative action merely requires an employer to publically announce a vacancy and then consider a variety of applicants, including qualified blacks if any apply. Since the late 1970s, it has been illegal to hire an applicant based only on race. Your wording above implies people are being hired only because they are black, and not because they are also qualified. I'm surprised someone as intelligent as you is falling for the assertion that unqualified blacks are stealing jobs from whites. In fact, the opposite is sometimes true that well-connected whites are getting jobs because of their connections and not their qualifications, thus denying a qualified minority applicant a real opportunity to compete for it.

Thank you.  I'm so glad there's another A/A supporter on this board.  I'm tired of being one of two who speak out in its favor.

I'm also a supporter of affirmative action.  The sad thing is that most of my "liberal" friends aren't.  Usually the people who complain about A/A are B students with high SAT scores who somehow feel entitled.

Believing that one should be treated fairly is feeling "entitled"?

I'm ok with some forms of class affirmative action but race affirmative action is unconstitutional and reverse-discrimination.