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CheeseWhiz
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« on: December 23, 2005, 08:44:48 AM »

As introduced by Senator Al (on behalf of a concerned citizen)...

The Children's Rights Amendment

Section 1: The term "child" shall be defined as a minor under the age of 16.

Section 2: The term "education" shall be defined as the full-time systematic instruction of basic life skills and knowledge by a child, and mentored by an adult.

Section 3: No person, government or organization shall abridge the right of a child to receive an education.

Section 4: The Senate shall have power to limit, regulate, and prohibit the labor of children.

Section 5: The power of the several Regional Governments are unimpaired by this article except that the operation of regional laws shall be suspended to the extent necessary to give effect to legislation enacted by the Senate.

I hereby open debate on this Amendment

One question, why?  My proposition to allow children to work didn't even get one signature, so why do we "need" this?  I strongly oppose this, labor laws should be left up to the Regions.
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« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2005, 08:59:10 AM »

As introduced by Senator Al (on behalf of a concerned citizen)...

The Children's Rights Amendment

Section 1: The term "child" shall be defined as a minor under the age of 16.

Section 2: The term "education" shall be defined as the full-time systematic instruction of basic life skills and knowledge by a child, and mentored by an adult.

Section 3: No person, government or organization shall abridge the right of a child to receive an education.

Section 4: The Senate shall have power to limit, regulate, and prohibit the labor of children.

Section 5: The power of the several Regional Governments are unimpaired by this article except that the operation of regional laws shall be suspended to the extent necessary to give effect to legislation enacted by the Senate.

I hereby open debate on this Amendment

One question, why?  My proposition to allow children to work didn't even get one signature, so why do we "need" this?  I strongly oppose this, labor laws should be left up to the Regions.

I believe the purpose of that phrase is to keep it as it is now so the Senate would never change it. Smiley

So we're all for Regional rights until they attempt to do something we don't like, and then we give it to the Feds, right?
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« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2005, 09:09:42 AM »

So, you really don't support Regional Rights at all then, do you?
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« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2005, 09:27:18 AM »

Listen guys, not even a single Midwesterner support my proposition, so why give the power to the Federal Government?  Remember, if you give the Senate the power to make sure my proposition allowing children to work doesn't pass, then future Senators can pass something that will allow children to work, it goes both ways.
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« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2005, 03:06:51 PM »

I don't see why an interesting aspect of the game--the powers of the regions--should be diminished in order to protect imaginary children. Theoretically, the Midwest could pass laws allowing child labor, but that's perfectly fine. These laws do not actually harm any real people, but they generate controversy and make the game more interesting.

This Amendment seems to be generating more than enough controversy to compensate.

Nah, my proposition generated at least three times as much controversy.
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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2005, 03:52:34 PM »

To my defense, I wanted to give more money to the Library system Undecided
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« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2005, 10:44:08 PM »

I'd like to add an amendment between Sections 3 and 4:

Section 4: Children, from the point of conception, shall not have their right to life infringed upon.

I support this amendment, it will ensure the bills failure Wink
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2005, 08:40:01 PM »

Hope this helps: (I didn’t look to see who was right, just quoted all the votes)

Although I oppose the bill itself, I will vote aye on the amendment.

Nay.  It's an utterly silly alteration whose only purpose is to make this amendment not get its due consideration.
You already called a vote, anyway I vote Nay.
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« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2005, 08:34:13 AM »

Let me pick apart this bill and tell you why I believe it should be voted down:

The Children's Rights Amendment

Section 1: The term "child" shall be defined as a minor under the age of 16.

Section 4: The Senate shall have power to limit, regulate, and prohibit the labor of children.

Why?  My propositions didn't even get one signature!  What has the Regions done that would validate taking away more of their rights?  Absolutely nothing that I can see, it's just my position that they Government shouldn't be telling anybody that they can work or not, not the Midwestern Regions.


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This effectively does absolutely nothing, you know.

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Well then, the power of the Region Governments is impaired, don't kid yourselves.  Anyone who votes for this is voting for more Federal power, plain and simple.  The whole point of Regional rights is so that where Federal Government would do something you and your Region wouldn't like, then you can do something different at a Regional level, and Regions that do support it can do that at their Regional level.  Think about it, if you pass this, my proposition could very well pass at a Federal level, and there would be nothing any of the Regions could do about it.
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« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2005, 08:56:06 AM »

I'm not going to vote for it.  I just don't agree with pasting on stupid amendments to make it so a bill or amendment doesn't get its fair consideration.

Well, PBrunsel's amendment already failed, I think we're gonna be voting on the actual Constitutional Amendment now.
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« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2005, 07:26:30 PM »
« Edited: January 03, 2006, 08:36:56 PM by CheeseWhiz »

Nay

I think things are fine the way they are now, child labor legalization or public school abolition will probably never pass in any regions anyway.
Nay for the record.

I'm sorry I missed this important vote.

I thank all of you for standing up for Regional rights, even when we may do things you don't approve of.  Thank you.
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