Liberals: Should parents be prohibited from teaching their kids the Bible?

[J.R. Brown]

Obviously they should since few true liberals practice what the Bible says. Also, the Bible is believed in by tons of people, earning itself the title of the mainstream religion in the US. Meaning it should be protected in ways that a Pagan religion or some cook who calls himself god should not be.

I'm a liberal Christian who believes that laws put in place here on Earth by the federal government won't save people. While I believe that abortion is immoral, I also believe that a law against it won't prevent people from finding a way to do it (in an unsafe way) or someday not loving their children or possibly murdering them. Abortion is a personal and moral decision that should be left up to the individual. Instead of makeing laws, Christians should guide and not dictate and Christians should teach , not chastise.

I also believe that prayer in school should not be mandatory for all students in public schools, you can't force God on people, they will run away. I know I did at a very young age. However, the option of school prayer should be left open to all students as a before or after school program or an event at school activities. As long as it doesn't interfere with learning. I believe kids will find out about these programs on their own, thus will find God on their own spiritual journey.

Conservative Christians, some people don't like to be forced into a spiritual journey, some do in their own time on their own.

Liberal secularists, you can't argue the 1st amendment you don't allow people to practice their religion wherever they want.

Peace.

[J.R. Brown]

well I was incorrect, the 86% figure is that of peopel who have any type of religion. However, the total percentage of Christians in the US is 77%. That's a pretty overwhelming number, thus it would stand that most liberals are Christian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States#Religion

So if people ask me if I'm a socialist and I say "yes" then I'm a socialist?  Dear little boy, let us teach you one thing today: just because someone say they are something does not mean they are that something.  Actions speak louder than words.

I'm a liberal Christian who believes that laws put in place here on Earth by the federal government won't save people. While I believe that abortion is immoral, I also believe that a law against it won't prevent people from finding a way to do it (in an unsafe way) or someday not loving their children or possibly murdering them. Abortion is a personal and moral decision that should be left up to the individual. Instead of makeing laws, Christians should guide and not dictate and Christians should teach , not chastise.

I always enjoy reading about Christians or "Christians" that say that they believe abortion is murder, but that it should be a personal decision. Do you think murder should also be a personal decision? Do you think Christians should just say "thou shalt not murder" and not dictate the terms through government laws as in, if you kill someone you will be executed (or sent to prison for life)?

Come now, sir. You should be smarter than that. Certain laws must be forced onto people in order to maintain people's rights and freedoms. Murder is such a law. That includes abortion. No one has the freedom to murder an innocent child that pose no threat to them. It is not a personal choice, and it is certainly not something a real Christian would sit idly by and "guide" instead of speaking out against it directly.

Do you believe that abortion would stop if their was a law? And do you believe people are truly saved or sorry for what they have done if you tell them to be sorry?

[J.R. Brown]

I'm a liberal Christian who believes that laws put in place here on Earth by the federal government won't save people. While I believe that abortion is immoral, I also believe that a law against it won't prevent people from finding a way to do it (in an unsafe way) or someday not loving their children or possibly murdering them. Abortion is a personal and moral decision that should be left up to the individual. Instead of makeing laws, Christians should guide and not dictate and Christians should teach , not chastise.

I always enjoy reading about Christians or "Christians" that say that they believe abortion is murder, but that it should be a personal decision. Do you think murder should also be a personal decision? Do you think Christians should just say "thou shalt not murder" and not dictate the terms through government laws as in, if you kill someone you will be executed (or sent to prison for life)?

Come now, sir. You should be smarter than that. Certain laws must be forced onto people in order to maintain people's rights and freedoms. Murder is such a law. That includes abortion. No one has the freedom to murder an innocent child that pose no threat to them. It is not a personal choice, and it is certainly not something a real Christian would sit idly by and "guide" instead of speaking out against it directly.

By the way, execution is murder, with vengance. Lock them up and let them repent.

[J.R. Brown]

Richius, Do you believe moral decisions are personal choices or should they be dictated? And don't throw murder in my face. Obviously, people who murder are making a personal choice. They are unstable human beings and that is why they are locked up. So, they don't hurt anyone else. That is where we help them to repent.

People who commit to an abortion do it out of desperation, like some murders. I've never heard of a serial abortionist who gets pregnant just to have an abortion. Obviously, that person would be locked up.

And don't question my faith.

[J.R. Brown]

Richius, Are you a sinner?

[J.R. Brown]

Sixth, your statement that "all sin is equal in God's eyes" really takes the cake.  Just where do you get this conclusion from?

No, it makes good sense.  Jesus Christ is the only sinless man who ever lived and therefore has the ability to save all sinners - the fact that you can be a sinner, barred from heaven unless you have divine grace, without raping or murdering someone, would imply that all sins are bad and worthy of punishment.  I won't say that premarital sex is worse than murder, because obviously it's not, but all sins are bad.

So now you agree that "all sin" is NOT "equal"?

As to the other points I made, I notice NO response.

Sin is sin.  I don't claim that they are all completely equal, but sin is sin nonetheless.  I only defended J.R. Brown's point to make that clear-- you seem to be implying that you've never done a bad thing in your life.

Also, I didn't have to respond to your other points-- they weren't directed at me in the first place.  I do notice, however, upon second reading, that some of your "points" were just cheap shots like "You really do have a GOD complex, don't you."  Nice try, though.

First, I apologize for the second point in my response to you, noting a non response to the other points previously made.  I confused you with the original posted (my bad).

Second, there was absolutely NO implication whatsoever in any of my posts that I've "never done a bad thing in your life," as you clearly alledge.  Please cite where I have made such an implication (I don't know how you could have made such an inference).

Third, if you review the my original post in this series, you will note that poster Brown spoke or "breaking" people down, and of "knowing" what is "in God' eyes."  To me both of these points border on being sacrilegious, with the poster have a God complex.

I was high on pain medication when I wrote that, so ignore it.

[J.R. Brown]

CARLHAYDEN,

What I meant was no one should claim to be sinless and no matter what we have done in our lives, we are all born of sin therefore are no better than anyone else. We all fall short of the glory of God, but it's only through Jesus Christ that we can attain eternal life. And I don't have a God complex.

Obviously, certain mortal acts are worse than others, but that same feeling of contempt in our souls for the word of God is equal in all men that sin. That's what I meant by "all sin is equal".