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« on: April 29, 2009, 01:49:07 PM »

It is amusing when religious people criticize astrology, since religion is something for which there is no empirical evidence.

I actually don't find any Biblical basis for opposition to astrology.  In fact, if anything, the Christian scripture would seem to argue against the notion that there is anything inherently wrong with it.

The Magi were astrologers, in fact, "astrologer" and "Magi" meant pretty much the same thing.  The "star" they followed was a planetary alignment, whose significance they likely understood because of their knowledge of astrology.  They were probably Zoroastrians, but they were almost definitely not Jews.

In the OT, no one is ever punished for divination, which was everywhere in the ancient world, but what they were punished for, such as the case with Saul, was not trusting God, and consulting divination above God.

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« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2009, 02:44:50 PM »

Supersoulty,

The bible does state that the lights in the heaven are for marking TIME and for SIGNS:

Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years.

But, that does NOT mean those SIGNS are meant to be predictive, for nowhere does any godly person in the bible use the lights to predict events on earth.  When the Magi saw the star, it was a SIGN that Jesus was ALREADY born:

Matthew 2:1-2
Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

( Which was a fulfillment of the following verse, therefore the Magi were well aware of Scripture: Numbers 24:17  "There shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel")


Likewise, during the endtimes, the events in the heavens are NOT predictive, but rather COINCIDE with the coming of Christ:

 Mat 24
29"Immediately after the distress of those days
   " 'the sun will be darkened,
      and the moon will not give its light;
   the stars will fall from the sky,
      and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'
 30"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.

Rev 6
 12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.
 15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?"


For scriptures condemning the use of the starts to foretell events on earth, which is the purpose of astrology, see the following verses:

Deuteronomy 4:19
Deuteronomy 18:10-12
Leviticus 19:26
2 Chronicles 33:5-6
Isaiah 47:13-14
Jeremiah 10:2
Zephaniah 1:4-5
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« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2009, 09:34:26 AM »

Modern astrology would be much more likely to be associated with "coincide", not "divine".  One of my biggest astrology bffs back in the day used to say that astrology was an example of synchronicity.

from wiki:

Astrology (from Greek ἄστρον, astron, "constellation, star"; and -λογία, -logia, "the study of") is a group of systems, traditions, and beliefs which hold that the relative positions of celestial bodies and related details can provide useful information about personality, human affairs, and other terrestrial matters.

Divination (from Latin divinare "to be inspired by a god", related to divine, diva and deus) is the attempt to gain insight into a question or situation by way of a standardized process or ritual.

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The fact that astrology is attempting to be predictive on a personal level is given by the fact horoscopes attempt to give you advice in advance for the rest of your day.  Basically, it seeks personal advice for conducting future activities from the stars.

It is no different in that regard than palm readers.

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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2009, 11:01:26 AM »

So if astrology is real, or close to real, everyone born on November 14, 1986, will have the same personality as me?

I think a cracker-personality is a function of location, not time.  Wink
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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2009, 03:46:47 PM »

What about twins with different personalities? My dad is a twin and he's not really that similar to his sister.

Did your grandmother deliver them on different sides of the state line?
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