Bush Aligns Himself With Southern Baptists (homophobic?)

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I would love for any of you hypocritical liars to explain why taking a stand against homosexuality is a "phobia", while at the same time taking stands against fornication, adultery, lying, stealing, murder, etc are not considered "phobias".

I have asked this question for months on end within this forum and have yet to receive an answer.  Why has my question gone unanswered?  Is my question too difficult to understand, do I need to reword it to make it more comprehensible?  Or is the answer to the question so obvious and revealing that it silences all response?

So consider yourselves ignorant of your own bigotry against anyone taking a moral stand.  But know this, your inability to answer is duly noted.

You have itchy ears - believing only what you want to believe:

2Tim 4:3-4 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

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I would love for any of you hypocritical liars to explain why taking a stand against homosexuality is a "phobia", while at the same time taking stands against fornication, adultery, lying, stealing, murder, etc are not considered "phobias".

I have asked this question for months on end within this forum and have yet to receive an answer.  Why has my question gone unanswered?  Is my question too difficult to understand, do I need to reword it to make it more comprehensible?  Or is the answer to the question so obvious and revealing that it silences all response?

So consider yourselves ignorant of your own bigotry against anyone taking a moral stand.  But know this, your inability to answer is duly noted.

You have itchy ears - believing only what you want to believe:

2Tim 4:3-4 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

...nothing but silence!  How predictable.

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Nym90,

You addressed why you don't follow the bible, but you didn't answer why those who take their stand against homosexuality are homophobic.  

In fact, you seem to be admitting that the bible does label the behavior as a sin.  So, are you saying that those who choose to put their faith in the bible are homophobic?

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Nym,

Consider for a moment what you wrote and then answer these basic questions:  

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The message that I feel I am getting from Him is to follow my own moral conscience, even if it contradicts what the Bible says.

If you believe God is instructing you, a Christian, to ignore scripture, then what is the purpose of scripture?

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The message that I have gotten from God from my prayers…

You say you have received a message from God.  So what do you have to compare this spiritual message to in order to determine that it really came from God?  Shouldn’t a supposedly spiritual message from God be compared with another spiritual message from God?  For example:  Paul had something spiritual to compare to what he thought the Spirit was telling him.

1Cor 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

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Basically, if scripture has no purpose, then what weapon do you have against your imagination?

2Cor 10:4-5   (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)  Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.

Luke 1:15 He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.

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That's an interesting question -- one I'd never asked, or been asked about.  I'll need more data.

OK

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You state that you "stand against homosexuality."  How do you "stand" against it -- what do you do?

I "stand" against it just like I stand againt any immorality -  I do what the bible tells me to do:

2Tim 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

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Why?  I don't know -- I'm new here.  

Ok, then we'll start afresh.  My anger was more of an attention getter in order to spur a response.  And I think the lack of logic behind the “phobe” label is evident.  So let’s continue.

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A response for jmfcst:

Your response was off-topic.

My question was how are those who view homosexual activity a "sin" homophobic.  It had nothing to do with whether the activity was legal or not.  Fornication is legal, but that doesn't keep me from viewing it as a sin.

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does God play a huge role in your life?

yes, but that is not the question.  The question is asking why I am labeled a homophobe but not labeled a phobe for my stand against other sins.  And the issue is not legality since fornication is legal yet I still view it as a sin.  Furthermore, I have never advocated making homosexual activity ILlegal (late edit).

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So, basically, it's not logical to label someone of phobe simply because they adhere to the teachings of their faith.  The main phobe I have is the fear of God.

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I would only say that in the matter of sexual prejudice, religion is fundamentally a part of the problem. The same Scripture affirms segregation, no?  But again, I do not want to wander into that area.

The bible begins with no segregation at all.  Later in the Old Testament, the Law of Moses separated Jews (who were a people set apart for God’s purposes) from Gentiles, not whites from blacks.  But the Old Testament prophesied the removal of the distinction between Jew and Gentile

The New Testament teaches us that one of the reasons Christ came to earth was to destroy the wall of separation between Jews and Gentiles, so that now there is neither Jew nor Gentile, in fulfillment of the Old Testament prophesy.  

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What I do know is that deep convictions have inherent in them some very strong prejudices.  Being a Gay man, I know the sting.

And…?  Is there or is there not justification to label Christians adhering to teachings of scripture as homophobic?

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No.  It is unjustified, unfair, and is its own form of prejudice, to make said statement.

- Alfie

We agree, thanks for the conversation.

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I would say that Christianity is homophobic.

Would you say it also has phobias against fornication, adultery, lying, stealing, murder, etc, etc?

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I would love for any of you hypocritical liars to explain why taking a stand against homosexuality is a "phobia", while at the same time taking stands against fornication, adultery, lying, stealing, murder, etc are not considered "phobias".

They hurt people, being gay is a personal choice.  And no, its not a condition just because only 1 of 10 or whatever it is are gay.  1/10 people are left-handed, something wrong with them?  

I don't understand your reply.

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"homophobia" arises in the sense that many people do not feel comfortable being around gays, much less so than being around other "sinners".  Joe Six-pack, who believes that adultery and stealing are wrong, views these transgressions as moral lapses that people wrongly fall into, whereas homosexuality is seen as a lifestyle...

Adulterers, thieves, and other "sinners" are NOT (late edit) trying to get their sins accepted as "acceptable".  Most "sinners" have sense enough not to throw their sins in public's face.  That's the difference.