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« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2011, 02:18:01 PM »

Well, with regard to the first poll, my original claim was that a considerable minority of Muslims want sharia law to be adopted the world over.  The fact that majorities of Muslims may want religion influencing politics and determining some law in their own countries is not surprising.  

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with their comparative birth rate, they don't have to conquer the world by force, all they have to do is wait a generation or two and Muslims are the largest group in Europe, then it will be "their own country" and then sharia law will be instituted and freedom of religion will be gone, and with it, freedom of speech and press.

it's already affecting our politics as schools are pressured by Muslims not to teach about the holocaust.  IN fact, the way pols prostitute themselves, it doesn't take a large segment of the population to hold vast influence on national policy.  The Muslims realize this.
 
Now, all this doesn't mean I think we should kick them out of the country, but we should be HAMMERING home the idea that freedom of religion/speech/press is the very fabric of Western society and that Western society will not tolerate anything contrary to those freedoms.  That's why Obama is so dumb in his handling of the ME revolutions, attempting to
decide which side he is on.  How about being on the side of FREEDOM?!  Why not speak to both sides by saying, "To the dictators, we think you are mass murderers.  To the people in the street, understand we are with you all long as you support freedom, which means freedom of religion/speech/press/assembly/etc.  If you gain power and then do not allow these basic freedoms, we will not accept you and we will call you out and view you as bad or as worse as the dictator you're trying to overthrow.  America is on the side of freedom, for it was founded by people yearning for freedom.  Freedom is the root of the idea that is America, that democracy without freedom can be worse than tyranny.  And the American people understand they don't have the right to take away the rights of those they disagree with.  so, to the people in the street, I tell you if you can't accept someone you disagree with as your neighbor, then America will not accept you as a neighbor among the world's nations.  and to dictators we say, Let your people live in freedom, and again to the people we say, Let your neighbor live in freedom.  For if you do so, you have our friendship, otherwise we have nothing in common and we are destined to be enemies."
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« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2011, 03:01:52 PM »

So you believe that religion should not be separate from state if the religion is christianity, but if the religion is Islam, that religion should be separate?

instead of unperceptive being the antonym of perceptive, they should just replace unperceptive with a picture of you
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« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2011, 07:05:00 PM »
« Edited: March 27, 2011, 07:33:14 PM by jmfcst »

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there is already mounting pressure being brought by Muslims in Europe to drop teaching about the Holocaust:

http://www.secularism.org.uk/muslims-in-france-are-underminin.html

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and what we should do with countries that institute Sharia law is continually call them out on it and truthfully state that they are not a free society and that we don't accept them as friends of freedom.

Instead, Obama didn't say a word about Iran out of "fear" of his words being misused by the Iranian government.  But the Iranian government is going to lie whether you speak up or not, so why not have the courage to speak the truth?  Now, he's picked sides in Egypt when the vast majority on that side he has picked wants Sharia law.   Obama is supposed to be a leader of Freedom, not a leader of democracy without freedom.  And the truth is that those who want Sharia law imposed are no more interested in freedom than the ruthless dictators they're trying to overthrow, so why cant we just come out and call a spade a spade and speak for the sake of truth and freedom, because, trust me, words do mean something.
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« Reply #28 on: March 27, 2011, 07:45:21 PM »


Even if the crowds want a theocracy, it's none of America's business.
 

well, it may not directly be our business, but it is our right to call a spade a spade and to be a voice for freedom
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« Reply #29 on: March 28, 2011, 07:40:56 AM »

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/03/25/libya.islamists/index.html

wow, this one is a complete embrace of the muslim brotherhood without a single hesitation
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« Reply #30 on: March 28, 2011, 08:48:56 AM »

I think ur being very optimistic if u think it will be limited to muslim communities...  even setting aside population growth, what does it say about us if we're willing to embrace those who want to end religious freedom ?
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« Reply #31 on: March 28, 2011, 09:33:45 AM »

badger, the slant of foz is not an excuse to be slanted in the other direction...and r u saying there is something inately wrong with me having a problem with those who want sharia law?  if so, then name the problem
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« Reply #32 on: March 28, 2011, 09:50:28 AM »

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so then, you have no problem with taking the side of a mob that wants sharia...and you have no problem with 2/5 of uk muslims wanting sharia...as long as it doesn't impact u?  wow, what a nice person u r
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« Reply #33 on: March 28, 2011, 10:41:30 AM »

badger,
so u don't support muslims who want sharia law, including the egyptian street and the 2/5 of muslims in the uk?
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« Reply #34 on: March 28, 2011, 11:19:22 AM »

again, numbers aside, why are we siding with anyone opposed to freedom?
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« Reply #35 on: March 28, 2011, 11:33:19 AM »

dibble, sharia is tyranny...and tyranny is tyranny...so unless ur going to argue sharia isn't tyranny, how can u support, generally or specifically, anyone who advocates it?
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« Reply #36 on: March 28, 2011, 01:12:37 PM »

dibble, so you think the forcing others to accept a religion is worth openly supporting over what existed in egypt?
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« Reply #37 on: March 28, 2011, 01:15:38 PM »

I can think of no worse tyranny that physically forcing someone to believe something
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« Reply #38 on: March 28, 2011, 01:20:17 PM »

that 27thMarch story I posted yesterday...well at this moment that is the lead article at cnn.com
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« Reply #39 on: March 28, 2011, 01:23:41 PM »

bullmoose, r u saying the US is, or has been at any time in ur life, under a christian version of sharia law?
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« Reply #40 on: March 28, 2011, 01:40:42 PM »

for the 1000th time, let me be clear on this...any forced religion, christian or otherwise, is tyranny...that's why I have opposed sodomy laws and why I think consenting adults ing should have the right to privacy and should e free to believe and say what they want short of shouting fire in a theater

so don't attempt to use ur ignorance of my beliefs to justify ur support for those who want to establish a state religion 
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« Reply #41 on: March 28, 2011, 01:50:11 PM »

bullmose, I was referring to everyone, I wasn't directing it at u
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« Reply #42 on: March 28, 2011, 02:08:19 PM »

if the question is what tyranny do I find worse, christian or muslim...I see no difference for I would be killed under either
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