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« on: February 17, 2010, 11:52:21 PM »

Thune will definitely run in 2012, just so he can be considered as a VP candidate or set up the groundwork for a 2016 run.  He needs the national exposure because he sure won't get it from his small state market. 

The VP spot on the ticket is his to lose in my opinion.

If Thune is interested, I think he has a shot at the very top of the GOP ticket in 2012...it's much more risky for him to pass on 2012, because if Obama loses, means Thune doesn't get another chance until '20 or '24

We should know by April of this year if Thune is going to make his move
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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2010, 12:00:11 AM »

What makes Thune any different from Santorum, Gingrich, or Palin and that whole clan?

Palin knows nothing outside of Alaska and is near-mortally wounded...Gingrich is damaged goods and too in-your-face...Santorum is found of throwing grenades, making wild claims, and scaring the bejabbers out of most Americans...

Thune has none of these problems
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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2010, 12:41:31 AM »

John Thune isn't so well known, and neither are his political vulnerabilities.

very true

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The 2012 Presidential race is for President Obama to lose. No Republican can now beat him; Obama has to lose enough credibility as President through incompetence, bad luck, corruption, or scandal to become vulnerable to any imaginable Republican nominee.

I highly disagree.  This is a very dangerous time period for America and Obama will face several crises between now and Nov 2012.  There are many international powder kegs: NKorea, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Israeli/Muslim conflict, etc, etc.

I’d place Obama’s reelection chances at 60%, but it’s too early to predict.  Though I could easily draw up a scenario where Obama loses 45+ states (double-dip recession + loss of couple of airliners due to terrorism + Iran successfully testing a bomb).  There’s a lot going to happen in the world over the next 3 years and most will probably be bad simply because things are moving in the wrong direction and in cases like the middle east, they’ve been moving that way for decades. The whole region of Turkey/Lebanon/Sryia/Iraq/Iran/Afganistan/Pakistan is spiraling out of control.

For Obama to win reelection, unemployment will have to be <7.5% and women will have to feel like Obama is protecting the country from terrorism….neither one of which is any where close to being a given.



 
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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2010, 12:18:49 PM »

Thune will run will win the nomination and will beat Obama in a landslide.

He is that good.

No, it is Barack Obama who will win in a landslide under the following circumstances:

1. Graceful exit from Iraq

2. Graceful exit from Afghanistan

either one of those is highly highly unlikely.  Iran now owns Iraq, and nothing in Afghanistan has ever been "graceful"

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3. Economy with stable growth, much in contrast to 2008.

He would have solved most of the problems that got him elected in the first place.

this is really Obama's best and only shot at reelection...but it is certainly not a given...at best, there is only 50/50 chance unemployment will be <7% by Nov 2012...but it might not be enough to offset failures abroad and perpetual $1T annual deficits and much higher taxes.

Fair or unfair, there are many more things out of Obama's control than there are things in his control, that can cause him to lose reelection.
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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2010, 02:05:33 PM »


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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2010, 03:41:55 PM »
« Edited: February 19, 2010, 03:46:34 PM by jmfcst »

Thune will run will win the nomination and will beat Obama in a landslide.

He is that good.

No, it is Barack Obama who will win in a landslide under the following circumstances:

1. Graceful exit from Iraq

2. Graceful exit from Afghanistan

either one of those is highly highly unlikely.  Iran now owns Iraq, and nothing in Afghanistan has ever been "graceful"
American troops are being pulled out of Iraq to finish the job in Afghanistan. That's a graceful exit.
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Well, it may be a “graceful exit” for American troops, but Iraq will begin, starting this summer, to tear itself into pieces and be well on its way to becoming a proxy of Iran.  I’m not blaming Obama for this, but it’s just the way things are – we will lose Iraq to the radical elements of Islam.  That outcome is almost assured due to the absence of a strong secular self-sustaining and ruling government.

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Apparently you have never heard of a town called Marja in Afghanistan. The Taliban is being wiped out. No Taliban in Afghanistan means that we can leave Afghanistan with victory.

Dude, you are a dreamer.  The Taliban or some equivalent will return.  Again, I’m not blaming Obama for this, but it’s just the way things are – we will lose Afghanistan...and maybe Pakistan...to the radical elements of Islam.

But, even though Obama is not to blame for this, it will make him look weak simply due to the way he has handled it and the false claims of his policy of apology and retreat.  He’s fishing for a graceful outcome using his own naiveté as bait.

Throw in a airline bombing or two and a nuke-test by Iran and Obama’s foreign policy will be viewed, rightly or wrongly, as a complete failure on almost every front.  Although Bush43’s policies were naive, at least he was viewed as pushing the front lines into the countries of the bad guys, even if most of the effort was wasted on the wrong bad guys in the wrong countries.  But Obama will be viewed as allowing the bad guys to re-establish American soil as the front lines.

Another attack on American soil after 2006 would have been a disaster for Bush43.  But for Obama, even losing a couple of airliners is going to be fatal because Obama’s popularity can’t sustain attacks on American soil exactly due to the fact that his policy has been geared towards “graceful exit” – which in the context of renewed attacks on American soil will become viewed as “full fledged retreat”.  Women would abandon Obama and Obama would be political history.

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But as for the giant deficits -- those saved the hides of people who, even if they didn't deserve being saved (and I am not discussing religion) had to be saved if others weren't to be taken down with them. I suggest that you read a college-level textbook in economics -- the late Paul Samuelson's Principles of Economics is a good survey text.

I was all for the “bailouts”, but the American people are not going to tolerate higher taxes and an additional $1T of long term spending on social programs while running of deficits of $1.5T per year.

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Tell me about those giant tax increases: recission of Dubya-era tax cuts to the rich? That has yet to happen; they will simply expire in 2011.

Well, let’s see:  Obama will allow the bush tax cuts to expire...local and state taxes are going up for all...Obamacare raises taxes by $100B per year...cap and trade proposes to vastly increase energy costs for all, etc, etc, etc....

The vast majority of voting Americans will be facing higher taxes while Obama proposes new taxes and over a $1T of new spending during a time when Obama’s own budget projects a deficit of $1.6T in 2010 and $1.3T in 2011...and that is if interests rates remain at near zero and the economy grows by >4.5% for the remainder of the decade...otherwise the deficit will be much higher.
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