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Question: Should the United States Senate be abolished?
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Nyvin
Junior Chimp
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« on: July 18, 2021, 06:07:59 PM »

You can’t make the Senate proportional, or substantially change its make-up, even by constitutional amendment.  It’s the one thing that the constitutional specifically says cannot be changed, except essentially by unanimous consent.

Probably the most realistic way to truly reform the Senate is just to gradually erode or remove its powers, kind of like the UK did with the House of Lords.

I always thought a great improvement to the current system is an amendment that allows the House to override Senate decisions with a 55% vote in favor.
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Nyvin
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2021, 04:52:09 PM »

Trump won Montana by just under 100K votes, Wyoming and North Dakota by 120K each, South Dakota by 110K and Alaska by 36K. While that's only 15 electoral votes (soon to be 16), it's still 10 Senate seats, 9 of which are held by Republicans. And it would take less than 500K to swing all of them. Bear in mind that as recently as 2014, Democrats held 5 of these 10 seats.

Meanwhile, Biden netted nearly 2 million votes out of LA County, 480K from Alameda, over 400K from Santa Clara, over 320K from San Francisco and over 500K each from Manhattan and Brooklyn. He won California by over 5 million votes and New York by just under 2 million. It would also help if they were able to get it together in Florida and North Carolina.

Point is that Democrats seem to just be running up the score in safely blue states. Don't hate the game just because you've lost the ability to win.

Democrats just won the game in the last election. The Presidency and both houses of Congress. They don't hate the game b/c they can't win, they hate the game b/c it's rigged to help the minority party hold power over the majority, which is inherently undemocratic and a literal slap in the face to the majority of voters. The only party trying to change the game b/c they can't win is the party passing laws to criminalize giving someone standing in line to vote a bottle of water.

why shouldn't the minority party have a lot of power? the electoral vote last November wasn't a landslide and came down to a few thousand votes in a few states, the popular vote wasn't a landslide, the Senate is like 51-49, the House is like 221-213. Republicans still have more state governors, and they own state legislatures. The only thing I would say Democrats own is the mayorship of our major cities

i could see your perspective more if Trump and Republicans had truly gotten their asses whooped last November.

Gridlock is a feature and not a bug of the system... It ensures that the status quo doesn't change that much quickly

A lot of this is only due to gerrymandering and geographic advantage for Republicans.   In Michigan for example the Democrats actually won the State House popular vote in 4 out of 5 elections this decade, but never achieved a majority.
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