Nancy Pelosi says no to Sanders' health care proposal

[NeverAgain]

It's obvious who's side she's on.

Yes, she's always been in favor of the policies that will get Democrats elected all over the country because she knows that's the best way to go about passing progressive legislation. Remember that the legislation that Pelosi brought forward as Speaker always passed, no matter how many blue dogs were in the Democratic caucus at the time.

I'm actually rather pleased she isn't willing to try and pass legislation that will cost Democrats a hypothetical majority right after losing their large majority for passing similar legislation.

*cough* Watered-down legislation that only gives to the private industry instead of really focusing on those without healthcare *cough*

[NeverAgain]

*cough* Watered-down legislation that only gives to the private industry instead of really focusing on those without healthcare *cough*

Well, yeah. I totally agree. That actually makes it so much worse. They blew their only shot to implement real reform and instead sacrificed their majorities in Congress for a half-baked insurance company giveaway. If they took back Congress and tried to "reform" healthcare again, they will probably lose their majorities once again. At least as long as the electorate skews somewhat conservative with the "free stuff" mentality.

They need to just stop with healthcare and focus on one of the myriad other issues this country has.

I disagree, as long as there are 44 million people with-out insurance and 38 million without adequate care we need to focus on this. I think it was their goal of a evolutionary healthcare process instead of a revolutionary one that allowed so many to cower in the corner and let the GOP run a muck on their plan. The amount of gaffes and incredulous stupidity that was allowed on the part of the Democrats really was the reason that ACA became a fraction of its intention, one that if fulfilled, many would be happy with.

[NeverAgain]

22,000,000 uninsured people get affordable health insurance thanks to Obamacare and some red avatars just whine about how it doesn't exactly line up with a hypothetical "perfect" plan in their minds...

Obamacare IS universal health care. The only ways people don't have health coverage under the ACA:

• People making less than 100% of FPL in states where Medicaid wasn't expanded. This is frustrating, but the holdout states will trickle in over the next decade.
• People who just don't know they are required to get health insurance, or don't know how. As years go by, this number will fall to 0.
• People who are intentionally going insured as an act of civil disobedience against Obama. Like Louie Gohmert. This number will drop dramatically once Obama's out of office, and there's really not much you can do about it anyway -- those same people would refuse to participate in any other universal health scheme too.

Who cares whether universal health care is provided directly by the government (UK, France), or by a mix of private industry and the government (USA, Germany)? As long as it works, it's all good.

I don't think anyone (red avatar/sane) here is not saying that ACA wasn't a step in the right direction, and for those who don't. It was. What I am is that there are still almost 50 million people without care and many more without adequate access to it. I don't think those people are just in such hatred of Obama that they just don't get healthcare... You may be right that there are some people that don't know that they need healthcare, but that is a minuscule number and is probably just made up of college students who are just lazy or don't feel the need to get it. I agree with you that how ever it works should be the plan, but what we have now doesn't, and that needs to change.