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President Punxsutawney Phil
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« on: December 06, 2021, 11:15:47 PM »

The maps suck. The maps are legal. This is not contradictory.
There's no grounds to strike down the maps. Yet. If any redrawing is to be done, then the place for it is the RGV, where the GOP might take a seat away from the preferred candidate of choice for the Latino community. But elsewhere I'm hard-pressed to find a good enough case.
"The maps suck" is not necessarily grounds to decree it illegal. I personally find the Illinois map wonderful, and the Texas map awful. But both are legal.
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President Punxsutawney Phil
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« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2021, 11:24:10 PM »

I really want to witness cope on here when NC passes an 11-3, KY and TN get rid of the Yarmuth/Cooper sinks respectively, and when FL passes a 19-9 or a 20-8. It shall be utterly glorious.
I don't see 20-8 happening any time soon. Fair Districts Amendment makes it too costly for Rs to go for something that lopsided. And they know that.
If they pass a map in violation of that, then they end up with a court map. John Mica and Illeana-Ros Lehtinen ended up leaving Congress because of that redraw.
GOP Congressman don't want the risk of a court map that could disrupt their seats and leave them in danger in a primary or a general.
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« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2021, 11:30:32 PM »

I really want to witness cope on here when NC passes an 11-3, KY and TN get rid of the Yarmuth/Cooper sinks respectively, and when FL passes a 19-9 or a 20-8. It shall be utterly glorious.
I don't see 20-8 happening any time soon. Fair Districts Amendment makes it too costly for Rs to go for something that lopsided. And they know that.
If they pass a map in violation of that, then they end up with a court map. John Mica and Illeana-Ros Lehtinen ended up leaving Congress because of that redraw.
GOP Congressman don't want the risk of a court map that could disrupt their seats and leave them in danger in a primary or a general.

The FL Supreme Court is now 7-0 Republican in contrast to being a Democratic one back when the horrendous Dem gerrymander of a “court map” was drawn in 2015, so this isn’t as good of an argument as you believe.
Well, GOP members of Congress clearly think that not even a 7-0 conservative court would rubberstamp a TX-style gerrymander in the Sunshine State. Even if they weren't of this view, the FL legislature clearly holds to it. Otherwise they would have gone with bolder maps.
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President Punxsutawney Phil
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« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2021, 11:36:36 PM »

I really want to witness cope on here when NC passes an 11-3, KY and TN get rid of the Yarmuth/Cooper sinks respectively, and when FL passes a 19-9 or a 20-8. It shall be utterly glorious.
I don't see 20-8 happening any time soon. Fair Districts Amendment makes it too costly for Rs to go for something that lopsided. And they know that.
If they pass a map in violation of that, then they end up with a court map. John Mica and Illeana-Ros Lehtinen ended up leaving Congress because of that redraw.
GOP Congressman don't want the risk of a court map that could disrupt their seats and leave them in danger in a primary or a general.

The FL Supreme Court is now 7-0 Republican in contrast to being a Democratic one back when the horrendous Dem gerrymander of a “court map” was drawn in 2015, so this isn’t as good of an argument as you believe.
Well, GOP members of Congress clearly think that not even a 7-0 conservative court would rubberstamp a TX-style gerrymander in the Sunshine State. Even if they did, the FL legislature clearly doesn't. Otherwise they would have gone with bolder maps.

A 19-9 seems pretty likely, and I wouldn’t take literal staff drawn maps seriously at all.
Well, if FL does get a 19-9 map, I'll eat crow and admit I was wrong.
But everything I've seen so far seems to show they are being cautious about all this. Unless they have some map hidden like some sort of trap card or something, that looks likely to continue. But it's not a certain thing, and I'll be the first to admit things aren't settled yet.
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President Punxsutawney Phil
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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2021, 11:01:03 AM »

I really want to witness cope on here when NC passes an 11-3, KY and TN get rid of the Yarmuth/Cooper sinks respectively, and when FL passes a 19-9 or a 20-8. It shall be utterly glorious.
I don't see 20-8 happening any time soon. Fair Districts Amendment makes it too costly for Rs to go for something that lopsided. And they know that.
If they pass a map in violation of that, then they end up with a court map. John Mica and Illeana-Ros Lehtinen ended up leaving Congress because of that redraw.
GOP Congressman don't want the risk of a court map that could disrupt their seats and leave them in danger in a primary or a general.
If I understand correctly, once the map struck down, the court will order the state legislature to redraw. They ended up a court map only because they did not finish before deadline.

Moreover, among the 4 judges that struck down the FL map last time, only one of them are still there. The 3 Dems retired and got replaced by Scott and DeSantis justices.
True, that's a fair point - they only ended up with a court map because they didn't redistrict in time.
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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2021, 11:06:39 AM »

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/doj-sues-texas-over-redistricting-saying-the-new-maps-discriminate/ar-AARx15S?ocid=BingNewsSearch

LOL,

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"And in El Paso and West Texas, the State eliminated a Latino opportunity district entirely -- reducing the number of districts in which Latinos make up a citizen voting-age population majority from six to five -- by overpopulating and packing majority-Latino districts and under-populating nearby majority-Anglo districts."

El Paso growing at 5% compared to TX 15% is a VRA violation now.
If all you said is true, this is an extremely clownish lawsuit.
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