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« on: April 21, 2021, 07:18:19 PM »

Good to see Sinema takes into account what businesses think. It's important to hear from the private sector.
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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2021, 07:45:29 PM »

The massive hate train for Kyrsten Sinema is utterly ridiculous.  I'm surprised at the level of restraint she's shown given how dedicated a large part of the internet is to turning her into the next Hillary Clinton.

I'm sure this quote will be taken out of context and spread around like wildfire until the lie becomes the truth, just like Joe Biden's "nothing will fundamentally change."
I agree completely.
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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2021, 10:39:39 PM »

Good to see Sinema takes into account what businesses think. It's important to hear from the private sector.
Why?

The whole point of labor law is to protect people from explosive practices by ownership.
Seems strange to argue the opinions of the businesses should not be considered relevant at all when one is crafting policy. Speaking generally of course.
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2021, 03:01:02 PM »

Today I learned that a majority passing legislation is an authoritarian fantasy.

But we get it there Rahm, you don't want actual policy changes Democrats are just placeholder not Republicans for you. You can just cool it a little on your endless quest to scold those damn kids who expect legislatures to do things.

Rules are rules.  You don't like 'em?  That's fine, change the rules.  There's a mechanism in place to do that.

What you can't do is just decide to ignore the rules when you don't like them.  That's like if you threw a pitch, it was a foul, and you said "screw you ump, my entire team voted and we said it was a strike, so we win."  I don't support that, a majority of the country doesn't support that -- but that's not a majority that matters to you I suppose.
A lot of this is driven by sour grapes.
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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2021, 03:30:03 PM »

Today I learned that a majority passing legislation is an authoritarian fantasy.

But we get it there Rahm, you don't want actual policy changes Democrats are just placeholder not Republicans for you. You can just cool it a little on your endless quest to scold those damn kids who expect legislatures to do things.

Rules are rules.  You don't like 'em?  That's fine, change the rules.  There's a mechanism in place to do that.

What you can't do is just decide to ignore the rules when you don't like them.  That's like if you threw a pitch, it was a foul, and you said "screw you ump, my entire team voted and we said it was a strike, so we win."  I don't support that, a majority of the country doesn't support that -- but that's not a majority that matters to you I suppose.
A lot of this is driven by sour grapes.
Yeah bunch of whiners that can't just accept that an entrenched oligarchy has a defacto veto power.

Sour grapes that the swing votes in the Senate are a moderate woman with moderate convictions and an older white moderate man from West Virginia? You bet.
Plenty of people have misguided ideas on policy and misguided ideas about how the government out to work. (And on both left AND right)
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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2021, 04:23:01 PM »
« Edited: April 22, 2021, 04:29:20 PM by Southern Delegate Punxsutawney Phil »

Beware the Knight Templar who disregards norms and institutions under the conviction they are right and not only considers themselves the only ones who can judge what is and isn't true and is good policy but is prepared to run roughshod over everyone who might oppose them as if they are nothing.
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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2021, 05:25:54 PM »

Beware the Knight Templar who disregards norms and institutions under the conviction they are right and not only considers themselves the only ones who can judge what is and isn't true and is good policy but is prepared to run roughshod over everyone who might oppose them as if they are nothing.
What the f#ck are you talking about
The importance of institutional stability and moderate pragmatism in governance, mainly? You know, the kind of stuff that actually makes the government work in practice.
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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2021, 05:31:51 PM »

Beware the Knight Templar who disregards norms and institutions under the conviction they are right and not only considers themselves the only ones who can judge what is and isn't true and is good policy but is prepared to run roughshod over everyone who might oppose them as if they are nothing.
What the f#ck are you talking about
The importance of institutional stability and pragmatism in governance, mainly? You know, the kind of stuff that actually makes the government work in practice.
Interesting, do you have another tv tropes page I can read more about this on?
I don't see the point of doing that. I pulled that up only to make it easier for others to flesh out their understanding of what I was talking about.
If you want to argue that
"Sometimes, the Forces of Light and Goodness get a little bit too hardcore. In a deadly combination of Well-Intentioned Extremist, The Fundamentalist, Moral Guardians, and sometimes He Who Fights Monsters, they get blinded by themselves and their ideals, and this extreme becomes tyrannical sociopathy. It's not the Forces of Darkness' fault, but they are laughing their asses off and feel so satisfied knowing that they were right."
isn't in any way relevant to politics, then say so.
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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2021, 05:44:04 PM »

Beware the Knight Templar who disregards norms and institutions under the conviction they are right and not only considers themselves the only ones who can judge what is and isn't true and is good policy but is prepared to run roughshod over everyone who might oppose them as if they are nothing.
What the f#ck are you talking about
The importance of institutional stability and pragmatism in governance, mainly? You know, the kind of stuff that actually makes the government work in practice.
Interesting, do you have another tv tropes page I can read more about this on?
I don't see the point of doing that. I pulled that up only to make it easier for others to flesh out their understanding of what I was talking about.
If you want to argue that
"Sometimes, the Forces of Light and Goodness get a little bit too hardcore. In a deadly combination of Well-Intentioned Extremist, The Fundamentalist, Moral Guardians, and sometimes He Who Fights Monsters, they get blinded by themselves and their ideals, and this extreme becomes tyrannical sociopathy. It's not the Forces of Darkness' fault, but they are laughing their asses off and feel so satisfied knowing that they were right."
isn't in any way relevant to politics, then say so.

Are you high right now?
No. shrug.
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