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President Punxsutawney Phil
TimTurner
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« on: June 16, 2018, 10:33:33 PM »

 
No, Trump should not continue this policy.  But the red avatars that would perform partial birth abortion on an 8 month fetus (or be OK with someone who did) don't move me with their version of "the children" argument.  They don't care about kids; they care about discrediting Trump.

Just to be clear, there are four doctors in the US who publicly perform third trimester abortions, which comprise like 1% of all abortions performed - and the vast majority of those are done out of medical necessity. In all likelihood, more children have been separated from their families in the past couple of months than there will be fetuses aborted in the third trimester nationally this year (and more probably have been separated in the past few days than the total # of non-medically necessary third trimester abortions that will occur this year).

A fetus in a third trimester abortion is a human being whose life has been taken.  I consider that more reprehensible than Trump's policy (which, again, I do not support here).



There you go again!
FuzzyBear is right to be unhappy at the prevalence of infanticide in this country. And yes, that does kill more people than Trump's policies.
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President Punxsutawney Phil
TimTurner
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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2018, 12:48:53 AM »

 
No, Trump should not continue this policy.  But the red avatars that would perform partial birth abortion on an 8 month fetus (or be OK with someone who did) don't move me with their version of "the children" argument.  They don't care about kids; they care about discrediting Trump.

Just to be clear, there are four doctors in the US who publicly perform third trimester abortions, which comprise like 1% of all abortions performed - and the vast majority of those are done out of medical necessity. In all likelihood, more children have been separated from their families in the past couple of months than there will be fetuses aborted in the third trimester nationally this year (and more probably have been separated in the past few days than the total # of non-medically necessary third trimester abortions that will occur this year).

A fetus in a third trimester abortion is a human being whose life has been taken.  I consider that more reprehensible than Trump's policy (which, again, I do not support here).



There you go again!
FuzzyBear is right to be unhappy at the prevalence of infanticide in this country. And yes, that does kill more people than Trump's policies.

 neither fuzzy bear nor you I have the right to not merely deflect but utterly ignore the issue of children being separated from their families specifically as a political bargaining tool, but then clutch your Bible and say but Jesus says
Well, I find Trump's immigration policies to be horrid and this "Tent city" plan to be pretty terrible. But feel free to read my post as saying things on matters that it doesn't address all you want!
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President Punxsutawney Phil
TimTurner
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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2018, 01:09:28 AM »

So just exactly what do we do to deter foreigners from attempting to enter our country illegally?

Just exactly what do we do to deter foreigners from staying past the point where their visas expire and they have to leave the US?

I don't agree with separating children from parents if the illegal entry is not a crime.  But it IS a crime for a previously deported alien to illegally enter the US after being deported and removed.  The drug addict who commits a grand theft stealing your identity and your money from the skimmer they installed in their workplace at the fast food restaurant you pick up your Double Greaser with Fries and Diet Coke every day will be separated from his/her children when they go to jail. 

No, Trump should not continue this policy.  But the red avatars that would perform partial birth abortion on an 8 month fetus (or be OK with someone who did) don't move me with their version of "the children" argument.  They don't care about kids; they care about discrediting Trump.

So while I say, "Stop this policy immediately!", I am going to ask what needs to be done to resolve the problem of preventing and deterring illegal immigration and what needs to be done to remove illegal immigrants residing here from our country?

I feel like we shouldn't be giving temporary visas in general.

However, I am also in favor of more lax legal immigration... I just don't think it's smart to give people temporary visas. Are we really going to expect them to move out? I would rather keep valuable people in the country (I would assume they have to be somewhat valuable if they're getting visas) than make them leave after a few months.
How do diversity visas play into this?
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