The Lion and the Rose, the II ASOIAF Game (Sign Up - Rules Thread)

[leonardothered]

I'm itching to get back into this after dying.

Any thoughts on who you will go with next?

[leonardothered]

Sorry it took me so long guys. Sansa is finally published. Lumine, when should we have all our orders in?

Well, all POV's are in, so Friday night unless a player asks for a 24 hour extension.

Err wait, so tonight lol?

[leonardothered]

Very well good Ser, busy day but I should have it in late tonight

[leonardothered]

Err... I didn't send the entire golden tooth garrison off to battle...

[leonardothered]

Yeah but why are they at sarsfield and not the tooth, when over 6000 were still garrisoning the tooth?

[leonardothered]

Apparently seeking vengeance for a wife raping sadist madman was less important than acquiring 30,000 swords, the largest bank in the realm, keeping Tyrion's knowledge of Dragons and how to kill them away from Stannis, a coronation by the true leader of the faith, and marraige to the most intelligent and eligible consort in the world

[leonardothered]

Right, my trip is not going to end for some days (the strike is still going on), but I can't keep the game frozen for so long. We'll be getting POV's tomorrow, and so far I'm considering Rickon, Bran or Melisandre and an Iron Islands POV (Asha or Aeron Greyjoy, or Desmera Redwyne as a long shot).

I should also note that Fingerbones has not been on the forum since June 22 nor he has sent orders, so that is a matter that does concern me given Daenerys's current role. If he doesn't send any orders or reappears before this turn is over, I may have to take action as with Littlefinger/Walder Frey or leave the position open for a player.

I'd rather you did it given the key timing unless the player is really good. I mean let's be honest, Daenerys is the only capable or even adult claimant for the throne, and is the only one open to be controlled by a player.

[leonardothered]

After all of the extreme risks I've taken and steps in a certain direction, as well as it spelling doom for the entire Lannister crew considering the two largest human armies in the game have broken into the west based on actions and advice by Daenerys/Finger bones, by killing or doing away with Daenerys, you are essentially doing away with all of this faction as well, which is why you can't simply kill her off. Also I'd argue adolescent dragons are far less a deus ex machina than an army of the living dead which only grows in strength with time, their main strength is being a morale blow and a rallying cry for armies.

You say Daenerys' new player would be forced into certain decisions, but that's exactly what happened with my character and I've done fine with it lol... I felt I've played my hand pretty well and breathed life into the game considering with a United Westeros under him, Stannis would have surely repelled Daenerys invasion given Tyrion's knowledge of dragons and how to bring them down(coupled with my own ideas). The Lannisters were universally hated by all factions when I took control, and through a deal of effort and time and politicking I've managed to get into a far better position from want seemed like certain and inevitable death for the 4 members remaining in the family.

Dragons are a part of ASOIAF as much as the ice demons from the North are, and Daenerys is one of the "big three", of which one is already dead, and as Daenerys is one of the very few possible riders anyways, doing away with her is doing away with them. GRRM has stated the end of the series would be bittersweet like LOTR, but that characters would survive and it wouldn't be some grim dark ending. Not saying we have to play it like that here, but aside from minor events much of the early part of the game follows with what I think will happen anyways, ie KL getting blown up, Aegon taking power, Stannis making yet another comeback....

Daenerys is far too major a player both figuratively and literally at this point to even consider just killing off. There is far too much at play already, and effectively just hands the reigns to the Vale once Casterly Rock falls, and the odds of them even being in position to stop the others are slim and haphazard at best.an given they still have to pass back out of the West while taking key castles.

Just to note claimants to the seven kingdoms as a whole aside from Daenerys:

1) Shireen
2) Tommen
3) Myrcella
4) Edric
5) Aegon's daughter
6) Stannis' other daughter

All just children with regencies, and none able to truly grasp the iron throne's level of responsibility. It spells pretty certain death for the living I'd say given the lack of good commanders and warriors lol.

Just my two cents, but it's going to feel like this all has been for nothing if she is simply swept under a rug and like I'm being punished for Fingerbones dropping the ball. Me and Garlan will be hung out to dry so to speak hehe, and at this point there isn't room for politics anyways. The undead are coming ffs lol, the only thing that will happen is Targ supporters getting beaten into the ground and a general conglomeration under Shireen of those that remain, who have no obsidian and 4 or so VS swords between them.

[leonardothered]

I love how you are missing the extreme irony in shuffling Daenerys out of the plot while using the term deus ex machina, when it's the best example so far of said term. Daenerys just goes suddenly poof?

And your suggestion the Lannisters and Dornish ally is laughable lol.

Your characterization of Culhrikan and the Others is incorrect if you're not looking at wiping out humanity entirely. From what we've seen in the series

1) The Others do not compromise with humans
2) Ramsay is even less likely to spare humanity

The idea that we should just do it to move things forward is doing the story misjustice as well, as I'd rather have a thrilling and complex tale rather than just humanity vs others, which we have right now with Dany in play.

[leonardothered]

They aren't being invented, dragons have been apart of the seris from the very beginning lol... So at least stop acting like they haven't been in game for several turns.


You said you weren't even going to bother with certain regions which implied sparing people.

Debate by nature is dramatic, it doesn't mean I'm not still being objective about it

I'd also like to add that the existence of dragons/others in the game predicates the other to also exist; they are there to balance each other imo

[leonardothered]

They aren't being invented, dragons have been apart of the seris from the very beginning lol... So at least stop acting like they haven't been in game for several turns.


You said you weren't even going to bother with certain regions which implied sparing people.

Debate by nature is dramatic, it doesn't mean I'm not still being objective about it

I'd also like to add that the existence of dragons/others in the game predicates the other to also exist; they are there to balance each other imo

I think you misunderstood what I meant about not attacking certain places, but I can't really elaborate lest I give away certain things.  All I'll say is that there is more than one way to...err...flay a cat

Judging by that comment I'd say I understood entirely lol

[leonardothered]

Yeah I wasn't flaming, just stating my opinion on the matter

[leonardothered]

Typing up a Tyrion POV atm....

[leonardothered]

Exciting turn to say the least

Good job Lumine, the game has a good flow and even in spite of my own misfortune the story has gotten quite awesome! Congrats to badgate who finally brought down the little lion

Hopefully I will be allowed to nab a new character straight away! (Dibs on Jaime?)

[leonardothered]

Considering how very very very few people were able to speak the old tongue BEFORE the entire North was eviscerated (and only beyond the wall besides) I don't really see how there could be much bargaining occurring.

[leonardothered]

Considering how very very very few people were able to speak the old tongue BEFORE the entire North was eviscerated (and only beyond the wall besides) I don't really see how there could be much bargaining occurring.

Ramsay could speak the common tongue and thus presumably Culrikhan can communicate via raven.

1. What ravens could survive the cold, both the weather and Ramsay's touch
2. How could the ink be warmed for the same reason above
3. Where would living fodder be found to maintain a rookery in the depths of winter, and who would be maintaining them? I can't really see Ramsay bothering with a bunch of birds

The idea of the Others negotiating seems to be rather silly regardless given what we see of them on the show and in the novels; the old races are all dying out and this is their last stand against humanity, OR they just want to kill off everyone like the show seems to imply. I think the whole point is the Others aren't here to spare anyone.

At the very least I don't see it possible without sending human envoys, and even then are likely to receive the same treatment Ser Waymar Royce did.

[leonardothered]

A very nice POV indeed. Im not sure about the bleeding but it was some very nice characterization of both the Others and Arya

[leonardothered]

Can we have until to Tonight? Had a super busy week

[leonardothered]

Tommen probably owns some badass tracts of land due to all the deaths and his "uncle's" influence. Myrcella probably married off to a high yet poor lord's son in want of Lannister gold. That's what I believe Jaime would have worked towards at this point, and naming his son after Tyrion felt plucked from mine own head haha, good stuff, enjoyed reading it though I was sad to see the Lannisters not ruling the Iron Throne from behind the scenes once more

Pretty much played the game as much in character with Tyrion as I could, had a blast and will be looking forward to the next ASOIAF game now that the world book is out