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DavidB.
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« on: November 07, 2015, 01:37:55 PM »

Well, this is for L, G, B, and T individuals to decide on. I have always considered rather strange the combination of LGB on the one hand and T on the other hand, since there is a difference between one's sexual orientation and one's gender identity.
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DavidB.
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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2015, 02:19:06 PM »

Thanks for reflecting on this from your personal perspective, afleitch Smiley

As for ingemann's answer, I think we should be careful in concluding that LGBs are "accepted now" only because of the fact that many countries have implemented same-sex marriage laws. If it were up to me, I would advise LGBs to focus less on equality by law (even if this is, indeed, important) and more in everyday life, even if this is of course much harder to achieve. I think too much value is derived from equal laws, whereas people sometimes ignore the fact that reality can be very different. A gay friend of mine told me last week that he was insulted on the street that day -- probably by people who, ironically, support same-sex marriage -- and that this happens regularly, and he was not the first person to tell me this. This seems much more problematic to me than, for instance, the fact that men who have had sex with men cannot donate blood in the Netherlands, something LGBT organizations focus on. (To be sure, I am of course not saying LGBT organizations would not find this problematic, but people's behavior in everyday life seems to be something on which there is less focus.) But, again, this is for the community to decide on. (This might be slightly off-topic, btw, sorry for that.)
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DavidB.
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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2015, 02:45:36 PM »
« Edited: November 07, 2015, 02:48:18 PM by DavidB. »

Well if the politics and talking points of one subculture in the movement are destructive for the movement as a whole, you have little choice but saying; goodbye and thank you for the years together. In fact it may be healthy for the subculture as they may suddenly find out how self-destructive their behaviour are.
I think 秋と修羅 (how would you like to be addressed? I know people call you Madeleine but your username is Nathan so I'm unsure) actually agrees with this, the problem more being the tone of the petition rather than its content.
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DavidB.
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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2015, 04:25:58 PM »

This petition seems to be confusing real transgender people with SJW nutcases. Transgender people are victims of injustice in our society, they shouldn't be excluded from the GLBT community.
Well, I could think of many more groups that are victims of justice in society, but that doesn't automatically render their preferences, values, and priorities similar (or even compatible). Of course trans people and LGB people are historically more "connected" to each other than any random group that suffers injustice, but the point remains the same: suffering injustice doesn't automatically render groups connected. In fact, it sometimes makes them even more skeptical of one another. This is what some "intersectionalists" fail to understand and others unsuccessfully try to resolve.
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