This is incontrovertible proof that God is evil. God does not live by his own go

[RFayette 🇻🇦]

If you are going to use the word of God as evidence then you must also consider in Romans when Paul wrote "For the wages of sin is death..."

If you believe, as I do, that all of us who have had the chance at some point in our lives have sinned then really we deserve nothing less. But yet out of God's grace and forgiveness He allowed for a sacrifice in our place. 


Further I would argue that when God took the lives of people, or instructed Israel to, it was just and never without cause.

This.  God has the right to take any of our lives whenever he pleases.  Murder is defined as "unlawful killing with malice aforethought."  Because sin (and our sin nature) legally condemns us to die in our physical bodies, we are all effectively on death row; when God chooses to carry out this penalty does not negate its legality.  Furthermore, there is no malice in God; no darkness resides in him at all (1 John 1:5); however, even if you find the Biblical God to be malicious, you cannot call him murderous because he cannot kill any human unlawfully by definition.

[RFayette 🇻🇦]

If you are going to use the word of God as evidence then you must also consider in Romans when Paul wrote "For the wages of sin is death..."

If you believe, as I do, that all of us who have had the chance at some point in our lives have sinned then really we deserve nothing less. But yet out of God's grace and forgiveness He allowed for a sacrifice in our place. 


Further I would argue that when God took the lives of people, or instructed Israel to, it was just and never without cause.

This.  God has the right to take any of our lives whenever he pleases.  Murder is defined as "unlawful killing with malice aforethought."  Because sin (and our sin nature) legally condemns us to die in our physical bodies, we are all effectively on death row; when God chooses to carry out this penalty does not negate its legality.  Furthermore, there is no malice in God; no darkness resides in him at all (1 John 1:5); however, even if you find the Biblical God to be malicious, you cannot call him murderous because he cannot kill any human unlawfully by definition.

So he is our prosecutor, judge, and jailer.... we were born to serve a life sentence.  No wonder we cry when we come out.

Yes - God has complete dominion over all of creation, including our very lives.  Fortunately, even though we deserve condemnation for our sin - he sent a substitute, the Lord Jesus Christ, to suffer and die on a cross for our sins, and was buried and rose again.  Now, God freely offers eternal life to all who repent and believe - not on the basis of our righteousness, which is corrupted by our sinful nature, but on Christ's righteousness, the righteous one who lived a sinless life.  Our fine can be paid in full and God's legal case against us can be dismissed right out of court.  It is truly good news.

[RFayette 🇻🇦]

[  Our fine can be paid in full and God's legal case against us can be dismissed right out of court.  It is truly good news.

Only to those with satanic morals.

I put a question or two in post 19. Care to opine on your use of a scapegoat.

Would you punish an innocent son while letting the guilty one off the hook?

Regards
DL

The whole point is that Jesus Christ volunteered to take the death penalty even though he lived a perfect, sinless life on behalf of us guilty sinners. 

As far as Satan goes, it was the devil himself who in Genesis 3 tempted Eve by arguing that people could have as much knowledge as God and be righteous on their own (hence having the knowledge of good and evil), and as such cause Adam/Eve eat from the fruit of the Garden and thus lead to sin entering the world.  We can't be good autonomously and we all deserve condemnation because the Bible says that even our good works are like filthy rags in the sight of God if not done in faith.  This is why we need Christ's righteousness.  He came to save guilty sinners by volunteering.  We don't want justice because that sends us all to hell, which is why we need grace! 

[RFayette 🇻🇦]

[  Our fine can be paid in full and God's legal case against us can be dismissed right out of court.  It is truly good news.

Only to those with satanic morals.

I put a question or two in post 19. Care to opine on your use of a scapegoat.

Would you punish an innocent son while letting the guilty one off the hook?

Regards
DL

The whole point is that Jesus Christ volunteered to take the death penalty even though he lived a perfect, sinless life on behalf of us guilty sinners. 

As far as Satan goes, it was the devil himself who in Genesis 3 tempted Eve by arguing that people could have as much knowledge as God and be righteous on their own (hence having the knowledge of good and evil), and as such cause Adam/Eve eat from the fruit of the Garden and thus lead to sin entering the world.  We can't be good autonomously and we all deserve condemnation because the Bible says that even our good works are like filthy rags in the sight of God if not done in faith.  This is why we need Christ's righteousness.  He came to save guilty sinners by volunteering.  We don't want justice because that sends us all to hell, which is why we need grace! 

I see that you have yet to read your bible. Does this sound like Jesus volunteered?

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

Jesus volunteering or not is irrelevant to the issue of you profiting from the murder of an innocent man.

The fact that you do not recognize that shows how your religion has corrupted your morals.

As to Eden, why did God put Satan in the garden knowing that Eve could not resist God's own deception power running through Satan.

Regards
DL

Look at Galatians 1:4 - Jesus did give himself to be a savior for us - him being foreordained to die for us does not negate the fact that he suffered for us willingly.

As far as why God did what he did in Eden, all I can say is that his ways are higher than ours.  But the point is that sin exists in the world because it is our fault as humans, not God's.  Adam and Eve chose to disobey God, and we see the consequences of that decision in all the suffering around us.

[RFayette 🇻🇦]

[  Our fine can be paid in full and God's legal case against us can be dismissed right out of court.  It is truly good news.

Only to those with satanic morals.

I put a question or two in post 19. Care to opine on your use of a scapegoat.

Would you punish an innocent son while letting the guilty one off the hook?

Regards
DL

The whole point is that Jesus Christ volunteered to take the death penalty even though he lived a perfect, sinless life on behalf of us guilty sinners.  

As far as Satan goes, it was the devil himself who in Genesis 3 tempted Eve by arguing that people could have as much knowledge as God and be righteous on their own (hence having the knowledge of good and evil), and as such cause Adam/Eve eat from the fruit of the Garden and thus lead to sin entering the world.  We can't be good autonomously and we all deserve condemnation because the Bible says that even our good works are like filthy rags in the sight of God if not done in faith.  This is why we need Christ's righteousness.  He came to save guilty sinners by volunteering.  We don't want justice because that sends us all to hell, which is why we need grace!  

I see that you have yet to read your bible. Does this sound like Jesus volunteered?

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

Jesus volunteering or not is irrelevant to the issue of you profiting from the murder of an innocent man.

The fact that you do not recognize that shows how your religion has corrupted your morals.

As to Eden, why did God put Satan in the garden knowing that Eve could not resist God's own deception power running through Satan.

Regards
DL

Look at Galatians 1:4 - Jesus did give himself to be a savior for us - him being foreordained to die for us does not negate the fact that he suffered for us willingly.

As far as why God did what he did in Eden, all I can say is that his ways are higher than ours.  But the point is that sin exists in the world because it is our fault as humans, not God's.  Adam and Eve chose to disobey God, and we see the consequences of that decision in all the suffering around us.

As I said above, voluntary or not, it is immoral for you to put your burden on an innocent victim.

If you cannot recognize that simple moral truth, you show how your religion has corrupted your morals.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

Satan loves those who only see the prize and ignore their immorality for it.

Regards
DL

The scriptures you cite show how serious the issue of sin is.  Fortunately, God showed us grace in the Lord Jesus Christ, so that all who believe in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.  We all have an individual account that will be decided before a holy God, and as such, we must have atonement for it.

[RFayette 🇻🇦]

As I said, Satan loves those like you who would do the immoral thing and just look at the prize.

Only fools will think a God would condemn you just to turn around and die for you, even while you know God cannot die.

As Ingersoll said; 'no man would be fit for heaven who would consent that an innocent person should suffer for his sin.'

Regards
DL

Out of curiosity, as a "Gnostic Christian," do you even believe Satan exists?  If not, why are you using him as arguments against my position?

Regardless, Ingersoll is just a man, but let's look at what the word of God has to say in 2 Corinthians 5:21: "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."  Seems pretty clear to me. 

In my mind, the foolish thing is to call oneself a Christian and deny what Jesus said in Matthew 20:28 that "just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."