People first, God second. Should people put themselves above God?

[RFayette 🇻🇦]

Feeding the hungry, giving to the poor, comforting the sick and elderly, etc. is how to love and serve God. Not the rituals of organized religion.

¿Por que no los dos?

And more important than any of that, of course, at least in the Protestant Christian tradition, is repentance and faith in Jesus Christ.  Those are the things one's salvation is conditional upon, and the rest should be the fruit of a regenerate heart.

[RFayette 🇻🇦]

Go easy on your un-provable garbage my friend.

Delete your account.

[RFayette 🇻🇦]

Go easy on your un-provable garbage my friend.

Delete your account.

As Ingersoll said; 'no man would be fit for heaven who would consent that an innocent person should suffer for his sin.'

Regards
DL

Of course I'm not fit for heaven.  I have sinned against a holy God and have no standing to merit favor with my own works, which are like filthy rags in God's sight.  Thank God that I can lean solely on Christ's righteousness, not my own.

[RFayette 🇻🇦]

The Gospels and the Acts of the Apostles have some contradictions, but seem to agree on basic points about the life and teachings of Jesus. Some of the other books of the New Testament, and a few passages of the Old Testament, definitely seem inspired by God and match the message of Jesus.

Do you really see Jesus as able to do such monstrous things?

Regards
DL

Well, have you ever read Matthew 10:15, Matthew 13:42, and Luke 12:5?

And the idea that we mortal humans can stand in judgment of the God who knows everything is laughable.  He is sovereign, not us, and he is worthy of all glory, honor, and praise.

[RFayette 🇻🇦]

The Gospels and the Acts of the Apostles have some contradictions, but seem to agree on basic points about the life and teachings of Jesus. Some of the other books of the New Testament, and a few passages of the Old Testament, definitely seem inspired by God and match the message of Jesus.

Do you really see Jesus as able to do such monstrous things?

Regards
DL

Well, have you ever read Matthew 10:15, Matthew 13:42, and Luke 12:5?

And the idea that we mortal humans can stand in judgment of the God who knows everything is laughable.  He is sovereign, not us, and he is worthy of all glory, honor, and praise.

So you will honor and praise a genocidal son murdering God.

Who is your second choice for good morals, Hitler or Stalin?

Your own God or WORD tells you to judge yet you give such a vile satanic God a pass.

Shame on you.

Regards
DL

I don't think you quite understand Christianity. 

For one:

Jesus is God.  So it's not a "son murdering God"... in that case God murdered himself.  God knew and felt the pain as did Jesus.  But he also knew (better than you) what it was all for.  Jesus is God and could easily have slipped away and avoided it.  But he walked that cross right onto Calvary anyway.

The rest is just blithering blather.  You obviously have a problem with this God you profess not to believe in.  Why don't you work that out with him rather than trying to drag people into this.

Because it is the people that are perpetuating the Christian immoral teaching as moral.

If your God murdered himself, it is still murder even though your own dogma says that God cannot die.

Lie to yourself all you like though. Christians have to to maintain their views of morality and to continue to respect a God who does not deserve it.

Regards
DL

Jesus volunteered to take the death for our sins.  Murder is unlawful killing, but what we saw at the cross was perfect mercy combined with perfect justice - all the punishment we deserve for our sins was instead taken in our place by a merciful and loving God.  Praise be to the lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world! 

You can call it murder or evil, but in reality it's the greatest love story every told:  Jesus died for your sins, and he offers eternal life to all those who repent and believe in his glorious Gospel.

[RFayette 🇻🇦]

Relevant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d4FHHf00pY

(at 4:10 specifically)

Just because sinful man may not like the actions of a holy God does not negate the fact that he is worthy of all our honor, glory, and praise.  We owe a debt to him, not the other way around.  We sinned and committed high treason against God, and it is only through the blood of Jesus Christ that we can be saved.

[RFayette 🇻🇦]

Relevant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d4FHHf00pY

(at 4:10 specifically)

Just because sinful man may not like the actions of a holy God does not negate the fact that he is worthy of all our honor, glory, and praise.  We owe a debt to him, not the other way around.  We sinned and committed high treason against God, and it is only through the blood of Jesus Christ that we can be saved.

Have you ever even looked at the moral implication of your barbaric belief?

Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

As Ingersoll said; 'no man would be fit for heaven who would consent that an innocent person should suffer for his sin.'

This Bishop and I agree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKNup9gEBdg&feature=em-subs_digest-vrecs

Regards
DL

                                         

Immoral on what standard?  God wants you to accept Jesus's sacrifice on the cross as a propitiation for your sins.  He's already paid the price, and now the responsibility/decision is on us. Truth be told, we don't deserve grace, but we get it anyway.  That's not immoral - it's just a great gift from a loving God.                                                                                                                                                             

[RFayette 🇻🇦]

Relevant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d4FHHf00pY

(at 4:10 specifically)

Just because sinful man may not like the actions of a holy God does not negate the fact that he is worthy of all our honor, glory, and praise.  We owe a debt to him, not the other way around.  We sinned and committed high treason against God, and it is only through the blood of Jesus Christ that we can be saved.

Have you ever even looked at the moral implication of your barbaric belief?

Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

As Ingersoll said; 'no man would be fit for heaven who would consent that an innocent person should suffer for his sin.'

This Bishop and I agree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKNup9gEBdg&feature=em-subs_digest-vrecs

Regards
DL

                                       

Immoral on what standard?  God wants you to accept Jesus's sacrifice on the cross as a propitiation for your sins.  He's already paid the price, and now the responsibility/decision is on us. Truth be told, we don't deserve grace, but we get it anyway.  That's not immoral - it's just a great gift from a loving God.                                                                                                                                                              

You are morally sick. All are who think it is moral to put their burden onto an innocent man instead of stepping up to our their own responsibility.

Jesus said to pick up our crosses/burdens and follow him. He did not say that you should take your cross and adds it and yourself to his burden.

But go ahead and sell your soul to Satan while foolishly thinking that that will get you into heaven.

Ignore what Bishop Spong tried to reach you.

Regards
DL  

Bishop Spong is an unregenerate heretic who is not a Christian in any conceivable meaning of the term.  And why on Earth would I want to face the music for my sin? Even one sin is too many for a holy God, which is why someone else must take the punishment for us so that we may live.

And quit confusing sanctification with justification.  We are justified by faith in Christ and picking up the cross daily refers to the ongoing sanctification of a regenerate Christian.