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RFayette 🇻🇦
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Junior Chimp
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« on: June 28, 2016, 02:05:04 AM »

OK obviously reading Yankee's responce i didn't make myself clear. I'm not interested in talking about the political ramifications or whatever. I posted it here in this board (and not the Discussion or Economics board) because I want to find a moral perspective using ethical theory on borders. In short, i want to find a way that I can sleep easy at night believing in closed borders on one hand and condemning seemingly governmental intrusions on liberty like apartheid and segregation on the other.

Well since none of us are in charge of anything, I don't think "sleeping easy" should be a problem for any of us, regardless of our political positions. Tongue

But I'd basically argue it on utilitarian grounds.  If you allow for completely open borders, you make it much more difficult for rich nations to provide services at their current capacity and endanger their ability to produce economic growth that fuels aid to those countries which are struggling.  Plus, allowing mass migration often means the least-skilled members of countries are the ones that stay, making their economies weaker and depriving them of the best talent in their labor force..  It intentionally works against the interests of the people within that country and frankly, that's antithetical to democracy (assuming you want that).
 
Personally, I think TJ's argument is pretty good as well.
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RFayette 🇻🇦
RFayette
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2016, 08:01:39 PM »

Okay, here's one: If you believe that closed borders are morally indefensible, that means that you have a moral compass; if you believe that your moral compass points in the right direction, you would want to advance your ethical principles in the world (in fact, you ought to believe that you have a moral obligation to do so); thus, if you thought that the culture of a particular people was immoral, you could justify that people's exclusion from your homeland by appealing to the potentially sinful effect of their presence.

     This is actually one of the issues that liberal Democrats face these days. There are many people who believe that excluding other cultures is morally indefensible. However, they also believe strongly in the values of modernity, which are not universally respected across human cultures. This leads to a paradox where they resolve to embrace cultures that reject their most deeply held beliefs. The resolution that is oftentimes adopted is that people simply refuse to criticize or sometimes even acknowledge retrograde views promulgated in other cultures (e.g. Islam endorsing intensely homophobic views).

The interesting way liberals seem to resolve this paradox is to uplift the most "tolerant" members of that retrograde group.  One amusing example of this is a BuzzFeed video where they had people who were, rather "liberal" adherents to the faith (I'm sure LibertarianRepublican and TimTurner would agree on this)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvJDZoGdDF0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMQjyRc7eiY
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