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WVdemocrat
DimpledChad
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« on: July 06, 2015, 07:32:40 AM »

It is not antisemitic or anti-Jewish to:

1. Criticize the policies of Israel. If Jews can get away with that than so can gentiles.
2. Criticize or judge a Jew for amoral or foolish behavior. Judaism does that too.

Bibi Netanyahu is no more the definitive expression of Jewish values than was George W. Bush the definitive expression of Christian values.     

This. I dislike Netanyahu and his policies, but I don't hate Israel.
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DimpledChad
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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2015, 09:08:27 AM »

Should this come as any sort of surprise? Israel is the epitome of just about everything the left hates. It is one of the few, if not the last, remaining westernized nations that has continued to preserve its identity as a nation founded on religious faith, with a particular cultural identity, and the willingness to use overwhelming deadly force to protect their way of life. They have convictions and principles. The left has been busy tearing down western civilization in Europe and the United States, but thus far their campaign against Israel has been rather ineffectual.

Worse still, the rightness of the western way of life in Israel stands in stark contrast to the disaster that is, with exception of perhaps Jordan, the rest of the middle east. It shows, on the national scale, what they deny on the individual scale; that there is a definite right and wrong. There are moral truths and moral absolutes. The left hates this fact, because they don't want there to be right and wrong. They want choices and carte blanche to do anything they desire free from the judgment of others, regardless of the cost to society. Israel has walled itself off from the corrupting influence of other societies and ways of life in order to preserve its own.

Of course, that is not vilify the left entirely. Their ideology comes from a place of kindness and, chiefly, a desire to get along with everyone. They are idealists and dreamers that never grew up or still have yet to grow up. The younger generations have an excuse; it is their natural inclination to be idealistic. They have not the life experience necessary to make informed decisions about such things, but the older members should know better. But, there is a reason that they don't know better, because they cannot measure the value of culture due to the simple fact that they have none. They espouse a multicultural society largely because they live in them already in the cities and suburbs, and a multicultural society is, in effect, no culture. When the values of a specific culture go unenforced within your own community, they cease to be values, and values are inherent to culture. The only value that I can discern from multicultural populations is: self-interest.

It is one thing, give them credit for it, that Muslims across the world are aware of. Thus, from the deserts of Saudi Arabia to the ethnic sections of Bradford, England, they resist mixing with other cultures in order to preserve their own. It is also why their culture and civilization will probably outlast ours.

Too late.

Was this a serious post? This came off as a rambling, vicious assault on the left. Seriously, if you have nothing to contribute to the discussion and are just going to make personal character attacks on every single leftist in existence, then you can just go away.
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WVdemocrat
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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2015, 11:49:16 AM »

Too late.

Was this a serious post? This came off as a rambling, vicious assault on the left. Seriously, if you have nothing to contribute to the discussion and are just going to make personal character attacks on every single leftist in existence, then you can just go away.

It was intended to explain the cause for the lack of support of Israel by the left. I feel that it was well-done, thoughtful, and; despite your outrage for calling a spade a spade; accurate.

Of course, if disagreement troubles you, you could always just read the comics or perhaps write a book about your struggles and convince everyone to follow your example.

Also, for the record, in order for something to be 'personal', it has to be directed at a specific person, per the definition of the word. Clearly, my treatise was not.

It wasn't a treatise. It was far from it. It reads like something in a YouTube comments section. You didn't provide a coherent explanation, you lambasted an entire political ideology as being childlike and naive. You're a bomb thrower. Nothing more and nothing less.

And my beef isn't with Israel, it's with Netanyahu and the Likud government. Do you seriously think any of us oppose Israel's right to exist? And doesn't Palestine have a right to exist as well?
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