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Question: Would you have supported the American Revolution?
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Unconditional Surrender Truman
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« on: January 22, 2015, 06:02:17 PM »

Yes, and any liberal who wouldn't (Brits exempted) needs to examine their priorities.
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« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2015, 10:54:14 PM »

An interesting - and sometimes forgotten - fact is that in Britain there were many supporters of the Americans.

If memory serves, wasn't one of the leading generals of the British war effort a Whig inclined toward support of the Americans? Howe, maybe? Its been awhile since I didn't a lot of reading on the topic.
Yeah, it was Howe.
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Unconditional Surrender Truman
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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2015, 11:20:23 PM »

If we had representation and were outvoted, it wouldn't have been an issue because what was disputed was not the tax itself, but the principle that taxes could only be levied by representatives of the persons being taxed in question. The fact that the Americans were not represented in Parliament made the taxation levied by Parliament upon them illegitimate.

Exactly. The principle issue of the Revolution was whether Americans would continue to live under representative government. The taxes themselves were not hated so much (in some cases, they actually lowered the existing tax) as the idea that they had been passed without regard for the rights of the colonists as British subjects. I wonder how many of the people answering "no" would actually like to live in a world where unelected aristocrats make the rules.
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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2015, 11:50:31 AM »

I'm hardly one to answer this being Canadian, but while the Americans did fight for largely noble causes (no taxation without representation, the establishment of a constitutional democracy [or Republic for the purists]), the main reason for their starting the war was entirely lacking gratitude.

The British King fought off the French in order to prevent the colonies from being taken over by France (I believe that's why he fought them anyway) and because the war bankrupted the treasury he logically assumed that the colonists wouldn't mind paying something for that protection.

It started the typical American response we've seen so often since: opposing virtual any and all taxes no matter how justifiable they are or beneficial they may be.
First of all, its not like this was some sort of magnanimous gesture on Britain's part. The French and Indian War, like every other war fought during the colonial era, was one of territorial conquest. I doubt the British government cared very much about the colonists themselves; their main concern was over who was ruling them.
Second, it's not like the colonists were sitting around twiddling their thumbs while Britain did all the fighting. Numerous colonists (George Washington, Robert Rodgers, and John Parker to name a few) fought against the French, and Britain probably couldn't have won the war without them.
Third, so-called gratitude has nothing to do with political rights. As TNF said earlier, the size/need for the taxes was not what was being protested. The colonists had been paying taxes to their local governments for years and never batted an eyelash. The issue was that the British government voted to take their money without giving them a single vote on the matter. If you would rather live in a country where government has absolutely no reason to listen to you, then by all means oppose the American Revolution. To assume, however, that the colonists were somehow obligated to surrender their right to self-government because they benefited from one of Britain's many wars of conquest is, frankly, ridiculous.
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