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« on: May 17, 2016, 07:22:54 PM »

The results from WV and KY on the Democratic side make no sense if you look at the neighboring states. Tennessee's border with Kentucky is solidly Clinton country, and especially in the counties bordering Kentucky's western panhandle are strong Clinton counties. Yet it now appears as tho Sanders will win strongly in some counties where across the state lines Clinton took 60, sometimes 70 percent. Is it that her comments about coal made them rebel against her, or is it just that these states' Democratic electorates are so different from their neighbor's ones. I don't really believe in the idea that her coal comments alienated so many people; especially for Democratic voters, I feel that most of the outrage is an overreaction. However I can see it playing into an image of Clinton as someone who just can't relate to these kinds of voters. Yet again, I'm reminded that she won rural eastern Ohio, western PA, and western VA, as well as Appalachian TN. Still doesn't make much sense.
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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2016, 07:24:23 PM »

Ohio and Western PA look so isolated on the map too. And same with Indiana's KY border; they now appear to be oddities.
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2016, 07:26:24 PM »

The results from WV and KY on the Democratic side make no sense if you look at the neighboring states. Tennessee's border with Kentucky is solidly Clinton country, and especially in the counties bordering Kentucky's western panhandle are strong Clinton counties. Yet it now appears as tho Sanders will win strongly in some counties where across the state lines Clinton took 60, sometimes 70 percent. Is it that her comments about coal made them rebel against her, or is it just that these states' Democratic electorates are so different from their neighbor's ones. I don't really believe in the idea that her coal comments alienated so many people; especially for Democratic voters, I feel that most of the outrage is an overreaction. However I can see it playing into an image of Clinton as someone who just can't relate to these kinds of voters. Yet again, I'm reminded that she won rural eastern Ohio, western PA, and western VA, as well as Appalachian TN. Still doesn't make much sense.
Closed primaries force conservative democrats to vote in their primary. That's the main difference. In TN and SW Virginia they all voted for Trump.

Don't you think it's weird tho that the primary rules affect the results SO much? You'd think that it wouldn't make THAT much of a difference; maybe it's because Trump has locked up the nomination, so his would-be voters are voting for Sanders instead. Exit polls in WV showed a remarkable number of Sanders voters choosing Trump over Clinton; if the 2016 Dem primaries were made up of only Obama 2012 voters, Clinton would be sweeping so hard.
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2016, 07:28:21 PM »

As a Clinton supporter, it annoys/concerns me how much rural and Conservative Democrats have abandoned her in Appalachia. Why would they vote for a socialist anyway? They don't agree with his policies certainly.
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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2016, 07:29:30 PM »

Ok now pull off an Oregon upset Hillary xD
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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2016, 07:40:49 PM »

Love Jefferson county. Keep the Clinton votes coming!
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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2016, 07:58:27 PM »

As a Clinton supporter, it annoys/concerns me how much rural and Conservative Democrats have abandoned her in Appalachia. Why would they vote for a socialist anyway? They don't agree with his policies certainly.

I think the actual question should be, why have so many rural and small town Democrats feel that the Democratic Party has abandoned them?

I spent much of my life in small town and rural Oregon and recall vividly how many lifelong Democrats in Southern Oregon, including many union members in Coos and Douglas county, felt that the Democratic president (Clinton) was taking the side of radical environmentalists versus working people.

Needless to say, the Timber industry and local Republican politicians tried to present the argument as jobs versus the environment, rather than talk frankly about the actual economic situation and why the logging and mill jobs were disappearing.

I see many similarities between the decline of the Timber industry in the PacNW and what is happening currently within Coal Country.

And quite frankly, these are parts of the country where the Unions came in after several generations of blood, sweat, and tears and " Ain't Done Nothing If You Ain't Been Called A Red" doesn't actually hold water with the history of the IWW, ILWU, UMWA, etc...

Socialist is a word that the company bosses and operators have been throwing around for a 100 years in many parts of the country to describe anyone that is a Union Man. Smiley

Especially with Clinton and Trump as the symbols of what their parties stand for, the Democratic party and the Republican party are increasing the upscale and downscale parties respectively. Democrats are the party of the cosmopolitans, the professional class, the white collar voters. Republicans are the party of the blue collar, non-college educated, poor rural America.
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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2016, 08:17:00 PM »

Kentucky is ready for Hillary!
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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2016, 08:34:20 PM »

RIP Pike county.
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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2016, 09:16:05 PM »

Obama chose not to ask for a recount in MO in the 2008 general election. He could've, he didn't want to. Let it be Sanders.
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