Regarding AOC, and the importance of selling green politics

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I'm not a Climate Denier, and I believe that Global Warming is due, at least in part, to human behavior.  But I'd also point out that while we have ALTERNATIVES to fossil fuels, we do not have a SUBSTITUTE for fossil fuels, at least not as of now.  And we're not on the brink of having a substitute, either.  Green New Deals need to go forward with that reality.

We actually have common ground for once!  And greens are misreading the public mood by calling for phasing out meat-eating, planes, and cars.  Most people (myself included) have absolutely no intention of changing our lifestyles, nor do we wish to pay higher prices for electricity due to a carbon tax.  Anyone calling for these changes will risk political suicide at the ballot box, if not during the primary, then most definitely in November.   

But, I guess you have no problem paying more for all the things that are already negatively impacted by climate change.  "Pay me now or pay me later."

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I'm not a Climate Denier, and I believe that Global Warming is due, at least in part, to human behavior.  But I'd also point out that while we have ALTERNATIVES to fossil fuels, we do not have a SUBSTITUTE for fossil fuels, at least not as of now.  And we're not on the brink of having a substitute, either.  Green New Deals need to go forward with that reality.

We actually have common ground for once!  And greens are misreading the public mood by calling for phasing out meat-eating, planes, and cars.  Most people (myself included) have absolutely no intention of changing our lifestyles, nor do we wish to pay higher prices for electricity due to a carbon tax.  Anyone calling for these changes will risk political suicide at the ballot box, if not during the primary, then most definitely in November.  


Just ask former PM Julia Gillard of Australia how her carbon tax ultimately fared.  

The six days from January 12 to 17 are all within Australia's ten hottest days on record, the Australian Bureau of Meteorology said. Marble Bar in northwestern Australia hit the highest temperature during the heatwave at a sweltering 49.1 C (120 F) on Sunday -- a January record for the area.Jan 18, 2019

Global warming deniers should be referred to as 'pro death.'

Australia heatwave: Mass animal deaths and roads melting as temperatures reach record high

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/australia-heatwave-latest-temperature-heat-records-stress-new-south-wales-bushfires-a8735541.html

Don't pay the carbon tax, pay more for more frequent road repairs.  The idea that there is a 'free lunch' on not addressing global warming is yet another right wing lie.

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Global warming deniers should be referred to as 'pro death.'

Climatologist Bjorn Lomborg found that more people will not die from cold exposure due to warming than will die from heat exposure due to warming. So if we are going to play the hyperbole game, its arguably pro death to be opposed to global warming too.

Bjorn Lomborg is not a climatologist as I suspect you well know. 

Lomborg is a statistician, which would potentially make him qualified to comment on this, but he is a paid-off mouthpicece, as I suspect you also well know.

From RationalWiki: Lomborg set up a think tank called the Copenhagen Consensus Project (a misnomer, to be sure), which generally pushes wishful thinking about geo-engineering. Geo-engineering is largely seen as a last-ditch solution due to the fact that pumping the atmosphere full of massive amounts of sulfur as Lomborg favors may have loads of unintended consequences and doesn't deal with a number of problems created by increased carbon dioxide levels such as ocean acidification (the project tends to omit these considerations in its reports).

The think tank was set to close in July of 2012 after the newly elected Thorning-Schmidt administration cut its government funding.[15] However, luckily for Lomborg he had quietly set up a think tank called the Copenhagen Consensus Center in America that was doing well enough to pay himself $775,000 yearly[16] and that since it began, the CCC had attracted $4.3 million from "anonymous" donors with climate denier links.[17] (If you can't guess who and what these groups are at this point, you're not paying attention.)

He is to the debate what Dr. Oz is to medicine, a rodeo clown who frames his information to give audiences what they want (a quick- fix miracle cure) and cries censorship when confronted by actual scientists.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B8rn_Lomborg

In regards to the absurd specific claim:

Increased deaths to heatwaves - 5.74% increase to heatwaves compared to 1.59% to cold snaps (Medina-Ramon 2007)
Increased heat stress in humans and other mammals (Sherwood 2010)
Spread in mosquite-borne diseases such as Malaria and Dengue Fever (Epstein 1998)
Increase in occurrence of allergic symptoms due to rise in allergenic pollen (Rogers 2006)

https://skepticalscience.com/global-warming-positives-negatives-intermediate.htm

So:
1.Not even close
2.Referring to global warming deniers as pro-death is not hyperbole at all, but is a statement of fact.

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Global warming deniers should be referred to as 'pro death.'

Climatologist Bjorn Lomborg found that more people will not die from cold exposure due to warming than will die from heat exposure due to warming. So if we are going to play the hyperbole game, its arguably pro death to be opposed to global warming too.

Bjorn Lomborg is not a climatologist as I suspect you well know.  

Lomborg is a statistician, which would potentially make him qualified to comment on this, but he is a paid-off mouthpicece, as I suspect you also well know.

From RationalWiki: Lomborg set up a think tank called the Copenhagen Consensus Project (a misnomer, to be sure), which generally pushes wishful thinking about geo-engineering. Geo-engineering is largely seen as a last-ditch solution due to the fact that pumping the atmosphere full of massive amounts of sulfur as Lomborg favors may have loads of unintended consequences and doesn't deal with a number of problems created by increased carbon dioxide levels such as ocean acidification (the project tends to omit these considerations in its reports).

The think tank was set to close in July of 2012 after the newly elected Thorning-Schmidt administration cut its government funding.[15] However, luckily for Lomborg he had quietly set up a think tank called the Copenhagen Consensus Center in America that was doing well enough to pay himself $775,000 yearly[16] and that since it began, the CCC had attracted $4.3 million from "anonymous" donors with climate denier links.[17] (If you can't guess who and what these groups are at this point, you're not paying attention.)

He is to the debate what Dr. Oz is to medicine, a rodeo clown who frames his information to give audiences what they want (a quick- fix miracle cure) and cries censorship when confronted by actual scientists.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B8rn_Lomborg

In regards to the absurd specific claim:

Increased deaths to heatwaves - 5.74% increase to heatwaves compared to 1.59% to cold snaps (Medina-Ramon 2007)
Increased heat stress in humans and other mammals (Sherwood 2010)
Spread in mosquite-borne diseases such as Malaria and Dengue Fever (Epstein 1998)
Increase in occurrence of allergic symptoms due to rise in allergenic pollen (Rogers 2006)

https://skepticalscience.com/global-warming-positives-negatives-intermediate.htm

So:
1.Not even close
2.Referring to global warming deniers as pro-death is not hyperbole at all, but is a statement of fact.

It's nice to know you think Atlas Climate Change Champion Harry is an idiot like Bjorn Lomborg.

Keep it up with your lightweight "in the ears out the mouth" cognitive style.

I don't know who you are referring to.  

You can be sensitive for me referring to you and your cult of global warming denialist types as 'pro death' but that doesn't change the reality.

I and RationalWiki did not refer to Bjorn Lomborg as an idiot.  They referred to him as an unserious 'rodeo clown' and I and they referred to him as 'paid-off.'  On these, the evidence speaks for itself.