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Adam T
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« on: June 11, 2017, 04:25:20 PM »

1.The exit polls on the Latino vote is not backed up by the actual vote.  For instance, Hillary Clinton did slightly better in states with large Latino populations like Texas and Arizona (and Trump did much worse.)

2.Similarly, the exit polls and the wealth of Trump voters also don't seem to fully match up.  As I read from one person on a different message board, in so far as many Trump voters seem to be concerned about their status, it's not a stretch to believe they would overstate their actual wealth when responding to exit polls.

3.That Hillary Clinton did not do as well with blacks as President Obama is not really a surprise. There is also considerable evidence that Republican voter suppression efforts in some states (especially Wisconsin) reduced black turnout (in those states.)

4.Donald Trump did no where near as well with white college educated voters as the Republican Presidential candidate normally does.
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136or142
Adam T
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2017, 04:50:17 PM »

People can we stop using a presidential election to predict a midterm
I'm not talking about midterms... just US Politics in general

In regards to Trump being an extreme outlier, you also overlook the degree of lazy thinking of (nearly every) journalist and many voters with the concept expressed during the campaign that 'both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump do it" and that 'both are equally bad.'
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Adam T
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2017, 05:42:39 PM »

1.The exit polls on the Latino vote is not backed up by the actual vote.  For instance, Hillary Clinton did slightly better in states with large Latino populations like Texas and Arizona (and Trump did much worse.)

The majority of the areas which swung strongly toward Clinton in TX and AZ were very white.

Thanks.  I'll look into that some more then.
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136or142
Adam T
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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2017, 04:37:49 AM »

Easy. We wait until they are ready to listen again. At this rate, they will be.
Why will they be? The reasons why they weren't listening to Clinton are unchanged. None of the political circus of the past half year affects the reasons why they tuned out Clinton.

but eventually... and there will be no faces. Obama's policies weren't that much different than what Kerry campaigned on its just that people were ready to listen.

In case you hadn't noticed, the housing market and the rest of the economy imploded in 2007-8. That was why people were ready to embrace change in the 2008 election.
There is always something else to come along. Especially now.

Are you seriously hoping for another crash just to win an election?

If President Trump's economic policies get implemented, they'll bring on another crash.
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Adam T
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2017, 05:30:40 AM »

Easy. We wait until they are ready to listen again. At this rate, they will be.
Why will they be? The reasons why they weren't listening to Clinton are unchanged. None of the political circus of the past half year affects the reasons why they tuned out Clinton.

but eventually... and there will be no faces. Obama's policies weren't that much different than what Kerry campaigned on its just that people were ready to listen.

In case you hadn't noticed, the housing market and the rest of the economy imploded in 2007-8. That was why people were ready to embrace change in the 2008 election.
There is always something else to come along. Especially now.

Are you seriously hoping for another crash just to win an election?

If President Trump's economic policies get implemented, they'll bring on another crash.

That's not what I asked, is it?

No, but you didn't ask that to me.
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