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Adam T
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« on: October 20, 2016, 06:53:01 AM »
« edited: October 20, 2016, 06:57:10 AM by Adam T »

Lets talk about the primaries first.I feel that the Democrat party's electoral process was stacked to make sure Clinton got the nomination instead of Sanders. I think in a straight first past the post electoral system without SuperPACs Sanders would have had a much better chance of clinching the nomination.

SuperPACs spend money on advertising on behalf of candidates and issues.  I don't see how they relate to the first past the post electoral system here.  Did you mean Super Delegates?

Hillary Clinton won nearly 57% of the primary vote and around 55% of the pledged delegates.  The difference between the two results is Sanders won nearly all of the much lower turnout caucus states.  

There may be a slight bit of truth that the Democratic Primary Presidential debates being scheduled to minimize viewers may have had an impact, but the last of these debates had, if I recall correctly, something like just six million total viewers.  So tricky scheduling or not, a viewership that low suggests to me most Democrats had already made up their minds.

If you meant, super delegates, and not SuperPACs, as you can see by the numbers, counting only the pledged delegates Hillary Clinton would have won.  In no scenario would Bernie Sanders have won the Democratic Primary.  

The problem, which is a deliberate distortion of the Democratic Convention results, which some innumerate (math illiterate) people have fallen for, is that the Hillary Haters take Hillary Clinton's pledged delegate total, and then they take the total number of delegates, both the pledged delegates and the Super Delegates, and they say "see without the Superdelegates, Hillary Clinton won a minority of (total) delegates.

The old British television program "Yes, Minister" mocked something similar to this when Minister James Hacker found out about a fully staffed 500 bed hospital with no patients.  Unfortunately I can't find the transcript of the episode, but Hacker's Permanent Secretary (Deputy, i.e the real boss) at one point says something like "It doesn't matter that there are no patients there, the work of the hospital has to go on."  Hacker replies "But why? If they weren't there, they wouldn't have to be there."

So, it's the same idea.  If the Superdelegates weren't there, then the total number of delegates would be just the number of pledged delegates and Hillary Clinton won a majority of them.  Or, the total number of pledged delegates could have been increased to encompass the number of Superdelegates so as to have the same total number of delegates as were at the convention, and Hillary Clinton would still have won the majority of those delegates.

Under no scenario would Hillary Clinton not have won the nominating convention.

Of course, if you aren't referring to the Superdelegates but were referring to SuperPACs,  I apologize for going on, but I don't know what you mean then.
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Adam T
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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2016, 07:28:24 AM »

On whining about media coverage.  This is from MacLean's Magazine comedic writer Scott Feschuk as he imagines a Trump concession speech:

"The media—totally in on it. Disgusting. Folks, I don’t know what our country is coming to when commentators can just give their opinion of me based on my behaviour, demeanour, words, gestures, policies, beliefs and actions. Biased!"
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Adam T
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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2016, 08:48:36 AM »

I don't think the issue is the poor treatment of Trump so much as it is the bend over backwards approach with Clinton. Trump sucks, and that will show through. Of course, they feel a need to push out stupid things that are not a real issue as well. However, there is zero accountability with Clinton, just like there was zero accountability of either Clinton or Trump, during the primaries.

Which media outlets have a 'bend over backwards approach with Clinton'?
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Adam T
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2016, 08:58:11 AM »

I don't think the issue is the poor treatment of Trump so much as it is the bend over backwards approach with Clinton. Trump sucks, and that will show through. Of course, they feel a need to push out stupid things that are not a real issue as well. However, there is zero accountability with Clinton, just like there was zero accountability of either Clinton or Trump, during the primaries.

Which media outlets have a 'bend over backwards approach with Clinton'?

Which ones don't?

None that I know of.  Now, answer the question this time.
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Adam T
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2016, 09:03:54 AM »

All this talk the media is biased against Mr. Drumpf is nonsense in my mind. I’m talking about the standard newspapers and TV stations like NY Times, LA Times, CNN, CBS, WaPo etc. They just report what the Trumpster is saying or doing, and this has been quite disgraceful over the last 16 months. They also reported Hillary’s shortcomings. But we have to acknowledge, that there are much much worse things about Mr. Drumpf. Writing and broadcasting this is the media’s obligation. And exposing lies and false facts by the GOP candidate is also their obligation. There is nothing wrong with the media. The only media not neutral are laughingstocks like Fox “News” and sites like Breitbart. They’re living in a fantasy world: All that comes from Obama and Clinton is evil and all the GOP is doing is just fine.

I think there is a lot wrong with the media, but intentional bias is something they usually avoid.
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Adam T
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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2016, 06:20:02 PM »
« Edited: October 20, 2016, 06:29:22 PM by Adam T »

I don't think the issue is the poor treatment of Trump so much as it is the bend over backwards approach with Clinton. Trump sucks, and that will show through. Of course, they feel a need to push out stupid things that are not a real issue as well. However, there is zero accountability with Clinton, just like there was zero accountability of either Clinton or Trump, during the primaries.

Which media outlets have a 'bend over backwards approach with Clinton'?

Which ones don't?

None that I know of.  Now, answer the question this time.

I did, just not in the way you wanted me to answer it. I also don't take marching orders.

I'm glad you admitted that you believe they all favor Clinton, although I'm not quite sure Drudge does... they seem to favor Trump.

I never said anything of the sort.  Translation of your non-answer: "I can't answer because I'm just making stuff up."

Trump supporters aren't only brain dead, their heads are filled with anti brain matter.
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