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Adam T
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« on: April 23, 2016, 12:28:00 AM »
« edited: April 23, 2016, 12:29:31 AM by Adam T »

Is this a joke headline?  I mean how about this for a headline?: Firms and individuals that donate tens of thousands to U.S political campaigns have U.S Government interests.

Hillary Clinton's role in the Saudi arms thing has also been thoroughly debunked.  

I try to not be apologists for any politician, but only people who have a genuine Clinton Derangement Syndrome could regard donations to a charity by a foreign government or paid speeches to a former politician as any worse than the legal bribery that is the modern campaign finance system.

Donations by foreigners are terrible, but donations by U.S branches of foreign corporations is fine?  Also, other than its illegal how is a donation by a foreign entity inherently any worse than any other large donation?

I agree that Bernie Sanders seems to have cleaner hands here, but he is one of a tiny handful, not just in those running for President, but in those running for or holding virtually any political office.
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Adam T
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2016, 12:36:41 PM »
« Edited: April 23, 2016, 01:03:05 PM by Adam T »

Is this a joke headline?  I mean how about this for a headline?: Firms and individuals that donate tens of thousands to U.S political campaigns have U.S Government interests.

Hillary Clinton's role in the Saudi arms thing has also been thoroughly debunked.  

I try to not be apologists for any politician, but only people who have a genuine Clinton Derangement Syndrome could regard donations to a charity by a foreign government or paid speeches to a former politician as any worse than the legal bribery that is the modern campaign finance system.

Donations by foreigners are terrible, but donations by U.S branches of foreign corporations is fine?  Also, other than its illegal how is a donation by a foreign entity inherently any worse than any other large donation?

I agree that Bernie Sanders seems to have cleaner hands here, but he is one of a tiny handful, not just in those running for President, but in those running for or holding virtually any political office.

Well, a few things.

First of all, yes, that's the headline of the article: if you a problem with it, you should take it up with the NY Times.

Second, who says that donations by U.S branches of foreign corporations is fine? And you really have to wonder about someone rising to the defense of a prominent politician with the words "other than it's illegal...". Really? Are you reading your own objections?

And finally, if you're saying that campaign finance is in dire need of reform, you'll hear no argument to the contrary from me. But if what you're saying is that Hillary Clinton shouldn't be bothered with obeying the law and doing the right thing because, well, everybody else is doing it? Good luck selling that to the electorate...

No, donations by foreign entities to a U.S political campaign are illegal.  The donations given to The Clinton Foundation by foreign entities are not illegal and nor would any speeches that Hillary Clinton gave to foreign entities and was paid for be illegal, if she ever gave any speeches to foreign entities.

I thought I was clear in what I wrote, but if not, I hope this corrects any misperception.

In all of this, there is ZERO that I'm aware of that Hillary Clinton did that is illegal, and my point was that the New York Times regarding these donations to the Clinton Foundation or the money that Hillary Clinton received in giving speeches to corporate interests as somehow worse than any of the other excesses in the campaign finance system is bizarre and illogical and, in my opinion, can only come from an attitude of 'we hate Hillary.' (even as we feel she's the only candidate on the Democratic side anyway worth endorsing.)

For one instance, Ted Cruz' campaign is, I believe, largely funded by several billionaires.  How many people do you think can even name one of those billionaires?  And, what do those billionaires want in return for their donations?

According to the last filing report dates for campaign committees and outside groups as reported on opensecrets.org, Ted Cruz and his supporters have raised  $131,470,858.

These are by far the largest donors:
Wilks Brothers   $15,064,000
Renaissance Technologies   $11,000,400
Quantum Energy Partners   $10,045,900

Anybody know anything about them?
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