Tara Reade Biden allegation megathread

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This woman changed her story twice and no credible source and even Times Up wont even touch it. It's clearly a hit job on Biden

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I love when liberals show their "believe women" shtick only applies when it's allegations against a Republican. These accusations may well be truthful; unless someone liking a world leader makes them automatically a liar?

Oh the irony in the OP accusing the publishers of pushing a "conspiracy" that Time's Up would decline to support allegations against Biden, but simultaneously claiming this woman is involved in another RUSSIAN CONSPIRACY. Let's not listen to the partisan hacks, listen to the woman's account and know that she worked for Biden and evaluate yourself. I don't think it's an outlandish claim, and she sounds sincere in the interview. That's all we can really say for now.

Except there's quite of BTS evidence she might not be telling the truth?

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https://twitter.com/mare_rescue/status/1251663325395468288

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Business insider messed up. The neighbor wasnt even a neighbor when this occurred. Records show she was there from 1983 to 1985 and she apparently had a nightly porch chat with Tata about it in 1995

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It seems like most people believe Biden on this I'm still not 100% sure what is true or not I want to see the records before I make a decision if the records are there than it needs to be further investigated because that would mean that she did make a claim if the records are not there then we can simply move on from this

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I don't really want to go out for Tara Reade because the same standard applies for her and Biden as it does for Kavanaugh and Ford. I will Reserve final judgment until we get conclusion to the whole papers thing I know General MacArthur says one thing but I'm going to wait until then

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https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1256378636095160321

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https://twitter.com/LizMair/status/1256383173929377799

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Remember when Republicans said they would get revenge for Kavanaugh? And then people tried to smear Buttigieg and Warren over sexual assault? This is reminding me of that

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TBH I can't keep up with this story anymore, it's like a soap opera that changes the plot every episode with a new twist

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https://twitter.com/ajjaffe/status/1256652879533944832

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Those who believed Tara most likely weren't going to vote for Biden anyways. If they believed the allegations I don't see how they were going to vote for Biden.

But now that the neighbor admitted to basically changing their story to please Tara Reade kind of puts the nail in the coffin for me on this not being true.

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I'm not gonna lie, I really don't like how some red avatars here are just trashing Reade like she came up with an entire event to trash Biden. Now, I'm not saying I believe her fully, but there was some evidence at least her 2019 claim was true, which makes sense given Biden's history in the past, but her original claim which does have some information and evidence backing it up was not directly with Biden, but with his office alone. The way some here are treating Reade is the same was that Republicans treated Blasey Ford and I really feel like that goes into slippery slope territory and I'm not really a fan of this.

It seems likely she has been manipulated by some people to continue to push a narrative against Biden and I'm not excusing her actions here at all. I'm just saying it feels like she probably has some issues she needs to take care of and is being manipulated to take them out on Biden.

Now, we can pretty much dismiss her 2020 story as being made up just to smear Biden and that is a serious issue, I'll agree to that, once this settles down then hopefully the Biden camp will expose the people behind this.

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I'm not gonna lie, I really don't like how some red avatars here are just trashing Reade like she came up with an entire event to trash Biden. Now, I'm not saying I believe her fully, but there was some evidence at least her 2019 claim was true, which makes sense given Biden's history in the past, but her original claim which does have some information and evidence backing it up was not directly with Biden, but with his office alone. The way some here are treating Reade is the same was that Republicans treated Blasey Ford and I really feel like that goes into slippery slope territory and I'm not really a fan of this.

It seems likely she has been manipulated by some people to continue to push a narrative against Biden and I'm not excusing her actions here at all. I'm just saying it feels like she probably has some issues she needs to take care of and is being manipulated to take them out on Biden.

Now, we can pretty much dismiss her 2020 story as being made up just to smear Biden and that is a serious issue, I'll agree to that, once this settles down then hopefully the Biden camp will expose the people behind this.

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No.  Just no.

She came up with the entire event to trash Biden.  The evidence for this has been overwhelming for weeks.  Every new piece of evidence that has come out has only served to further confirm it.

What is your alternative explanation?  Her story can't be half true.  It's either true or it's not.

"I'm not saying I believe her fully"?  Like you only believe her 80%?  You shouldn't believe her at all.  She is lying.  She is a bigger liar than Donald Trump.  And you should be furious that you were lied to and taken advantage of.

Whether the 2019 story is true or not (it's not) is immaterial.  Nobody cared about that story in 2019 and certainly nobody cares about it in 2020.  It has zero impact on the campaign.  They are two completely different stories.  The issue at question is whether or not she was raped by Joe Biden.  She was not.  Even if the 2019 story was true (it's not), she doesn't get truth-teller brownie points for telling the truth about an entirely unrelated story.  Her phony rape story doesn't become any less of a lie just because she told the truth about something else.  She is a liar and her story is a lie.

The way Fox News Republicans treated Blasey Ford was wrong because there was no evidence that Blasey Ford was lying.  Republicans were simply saying what they wanted to be true.  But Tara Reade is lying.  So treating her like a liar is entirely appropriate.  She should be sued for slander, sued for fraud, sued for perjury, and made to answer for any innocent people she has put in prison with her false testimony.

Tara Reade may have been manipulated by Katie Halper, Ryan Grim and Nathan Robinson.  But that does not absolve her of responsibility!  She is the one who made the decision to invent a rape allegation and level it against Joe Biden.  It's not like Halper/Grim/Robinson plucked a rando off of Twitter and told her what to say.  She came up with the idea, and they coached her on how to maximize its effectiveness.

The only reason I am not 100% saying she is lying is because I'm not a hypocrite who believes women only when it benefits my ideology. I'm not the one here so obsessed with this story to make long winded posts and make a medium account to post their information.

I've posted over and over again here that her story is most likely false, but I'm not going to say one way or the other until there's definitive proof one way or the other. I'm not going to sit here and attack her either. Hopefully, if there's definitive proof that she is lying, and I'll admit, there does seem to be a lot suggesting she is, then by all means call her out, sue her for defamation at that point I wouldn't care anymore. But I have not seen any evidence it was her herself that came up with this story.

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I've posted over and over again here that her story is most likely false, but I'm not going to say one way or the other until there's definitive proof one way or the other. I'm not going to sit here and attack her either. Hopefully, if there's definitive proof that she is lying, and I'll admit, there does seem to be a lot suggesting she is, then by all means call her out. But I have not seen any evidence it was her herself that came up with this story.

What kind of definitive proof do you need?  We have so much now.  At this point Biden could easily win a slander case.

The problem is that every time someone leaves the window open for "this story might be true", that creates the same creeping doubt that we had to deal with in the email saga.  Yeah, it's probably not true... but what if it is?  What if Biden is a rapist?  What if Hillary Clinton sacrificed our national security for her own secret agenda?  People's brains can't deal with probabilities.  If they think there's a chance something is true, they'll start making decisions as though it is true.  This is politics, you have to be binary, you have to be firm.  No.  The story is not true.  Joe Biden did not rape a woman in 1993.  Tara Reade is lying.  Period.

Obviously I've been following this story very closely and it's extremely frustrating to see people still be on the fence about the story, or unwilling to commit to its being false.  Not "most likely false."  False.

That's fine if you want to be so black and white about it. I can't be at that point for now.

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The only reason I am not 100% saying she is lying is because I'm not a hypocrite who believes women only when it benefits my ideology. I'm not the one here so obsessed with this story to make long winded posts and make a medium account to post their information.

I've posted over and over again here that her story is most likely false, but I'm not going to say one way or the other until there's definitive proof one way or the other. I'm not going to sit here and attack her either. Hopefully, if there's definitive proof that she is lying, and I'll admit, there does seem to be a lot suggesting she is, then by all means call her out. But I have not seen any evidence it was her herself that came up with this story.

Nobody, or almost nobody, believes Biden solely because of politicial motives. It's more like the story (and Reade herself), that changed multiple times, has credibility issues. If evidence was as strong as against numerous other cases, almost none her would continue to support Biden any more. Depening on strong the case is, neither would the DNC or Dem elected officials.

Analyzing the evidence we have over the assault story, it's fait to say it's a lie. Now, I believe there may have been a siutuation she felt uncomfortable with Biden making complementary comments or he was touchy, but accussing him of assault is still a lie and not an exaggeration. Biden himself probably doesn't remember at all since this kind of behavior was routine for him for all these years, including in interactions with men.

I mean that's true, she's stated over and over again Biden made her uncomfortable due to his touchy interactions. I don't believe he raped her and never will, there's no evidence for it. I do believe her 2019 story though.

But like I said, I'm just not ready to say she is making this up entirely on her own.

My biggest concern with this is people will look back on this story and say this is why we can't take rape allegations seriously and this ends up blowing up in the faces of rape victims. It's why I can't 100% dismiss this story.

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... My biggest concern with this is people will look back on this story and say this is why we can't take rape allegations seriously and this ends up blowing up in the faces of rape victims. It's why I can't 100% dismiss this story.

This is where you lost me completely.

How? All I said was in the future, next person to come out with an allegation will be met with, "look what happened with Tara Reade, why should we believe you?" type reactions

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... My biggest concern with this is people will look back on this story and say this is why we can't take rape allegations seriously and this ends up blowing up in the faces of rape victims. It's why I can't 100% dismiss this story.

This is where you lost me completely.

How? All I said was in the future, next person to come out with an allegation will be met with, "look what happened with Tara Reade, why should we believe you?" type reactions

But that's not "all you said." You also included, that basically, because you dont want this to affect future allegations made by other women, you are willing to undermine the truth ("cant dismiss the story") of what actually happened here, and let the innocent be damned (Biden).
That's what your last paragraph sounds like. If not, please clarify.

Maybe my phrasing was bad, I'll admit that. What I am saying is, I'm generally just concerned the impact of what Tara is doing will negatively impact future claimants. People will point to this allegation and be less willing to accept what happens to future victims in regards to politicians. I'll flat out admit I don't believe Biden assaulted her or raped her, there's no evidence of it and I never believed it anyway because it's out of Biden's character given his past actions to defend women.  Her 2019 story is more believable than her 2020 story. The more stuff that comes out though makes me even start to doubt her 2019 story.

I guess my main opposition to calling her a liar is that I want to believe her as I want to believe all victims and am concerned someone with an accusation this bad will affect how others see similar cases in the future.