Senate to vote on defunding Planned Parenthood

[YaBoyNY]

Fetuses aren't human though.

[YaBoyNY]

Fetuses aren't human though.

If they aren't human, then what are they? They're clearly more than a random bunch of cells bonded together. 'Fetus' is not a species, it's a stage of life.

What's the argument for a fetus being a human being other than the fact that, after birth, it becomes a human being?

Hint: There isn't one, and it's not a human while it's a fetus.

[YaBoyNY]

Fetuses aren't human though.

If they aren't human, then what are they? They're clearly more than a random bunch of cells bonded together. 'Fetus' is not a species, it's a stage of life.

What's the argument for a fetus being a human being other than the fact that, after birth, it becomes a human being?

Hint: There isn't one, and it's not a human while it's a fetus.

If they're not human, then what species are they? Alien? This is the most ridiculous argument the pro choice people come up with. Reasonable people can differ on whether they believe the fetus is alive. But the whole it's not human thing is stupid and completely nonsensical. Sure, it's not a fully formed human. But they're still human. Just because one's brain or heart isn't fully developed doesn't mean they are a different creature from what they will ultimately turn out to be.

A fetus is a pre-human, not a human.

Sapience is the very essence of what makes us human. A fetus isn't sapient.

Take a fetus out of the womb at 3 months and see how well it works for you.

[YaBoyNY]

Fetuses aren't human though.

If they aren't human, then what are they? They're clearly more than a random bunch of cells bonded together. 'Fetus' is not a species, it's a stage of life.

What's the argument for a fetus being a human being other than the fact that, after birth, it becomes a human being?

Hint: There isn't one, and it's not a human while it's a fetus.

So than what is a fetus.

The post above you explains it, if you'd be so kind as to read it.

Fetuses aren't human though.

If they aren't human, then what are they? They're clearly more than a random bunch of cells bonded together. 'Fetus' is not a species, it's a stage of life.

What's the argument for a fetus being a human being other than the fact that, after birth, it becomes a human being?

Hint: There isn't one, and it's not a human while it's a fetus.

If they're not human, then what species are they? Alien? This is the most ridiculous argument the pro choice people come up with. Reasonable people can differ on whether they believe the fetus is alive. But the whole it's not human thing is stupid and completely nonsensical. Sure, it's not a fully formed human. But they're still human. Just because one's brain or heart isn't fully developed doesn't mean they are a different creature from what they will ultimately turn out to be.

A fetus is a pre-human, not a human.

Sapience is the very essence of what makes us human. A fetus isn't sapient.

Take a fetus out of the womb at 3 months and see how well it works for you.

Per dictionary.com, Sapient means 'having or showing great wisdom or sound judgment'. Sure, a fetus doesn't have great wisdom or sound judgement, but neither does a toddler. Do we have to start calling a toddler a 'pre-human' now?

That's an odd definition, since any reasonable definition wouldn't use "great wisdom."

Sapience is essentially the step above sentience. You can argue that a fetus demonstrates sentience, since it can react in a reflexive way to external stimuli, but it does not demonstrate sapience.

[YaBoyNY]

Fetuses aren't human though.

If they aren't human, then what are they? They're clearly more than a random bunch of cells bonded together. 'Fetus' is not a species, it's a stage of life.

What's the argument for a fetus being a human being other than the fact that, after birth, it becomes a human being?

Hint: There isn't one, and it's not a human while it's a fetus.

So than what is a fetus.

The post above you explains it, if you'd be so kind as to read it.

No, you still didn't answer my question it just reads "not human.", Since, more than likely you believe life starts when your out of the womb, then how can you support Partial Birth Abortion beacuse they take the baby out and then kill it, so technically it's alive beacuse it's outside of the womb and if you don't believe me look it up online. And don't say it's to bloody.

What the  are you even saying? This is like some weird run on rambling where you make an assumption of what why view is (without having read any of my previous posts, by the way) and proceed to say... something about what you think my opinion is?

[YaBoyNY]

Fetuses aren't human though.

If they aren't human, then what are they? They're clearly more than a random bunch of cells bonded together. 'Fetus' is not a species, it's a stage of life.

What's the argument for a fetus being a human being other than the fact that, after birth, it becomes a human being?

Hint: There isn't one, and it's not a human while it's a fetus.

So than what is a fetus.

The post above you explains it, if you'd be so kind as to read it.

No, you still didn't answer my question it just reads "not human.", Since, more than likely you believe life starts when your out of the womb, then how can you support Partial Birth Abortion beacuse they take the baby out and then kill it, so technically it's alive beacuse it's outside of the womb and if you don't believe me look it up online. And don't say it's to bloody.

What the  are you even saying? This is like some weird run on rambling where you make an assumption of what why view is (without having read any of my previous posts, by the way) and proceed to say... something about what you think my opinion is?

I said more than likely, it doesn't mean I'm positive. I said more than likely beacuse most Democrats here support it but if you don't.

I didn't say if you were right or wrong.

But it generally is a good idea not to argue based on an assumption.

[YaBoyNY]

Fetuses aren't human though.

If they aren't human, then what are they? They're clearly more than a random bunch of cells bonded together. 'Fetus' is not a species, it's a stage of life.

What's the argument for a fetus being a human being other than the fact that, after birth, it becomes a human being?

Hint: There isn't one, and it's not a human while it's a fetus.

So than what is a fetus.

The post above you explains it, if you'd be so kind as to read it.

Fetuses aren't human though.

If they aren't human, then what are they? They're clearly more than a random bunch of cells bonded together. 'Fetus' is not a species, it's a stage of life.

What's the argument for a fetus being a human being other than the fact that, after birth, it becomes a human being?

Hint: There isn't one, and it's not a human while it's a fetus.

If they're not human, then what species are they? Alien? This is the most ridiculous argument the pro choice people come up with. Reasonable people can differ on whether they believe the fetus is alive. But the whole it's not human thing is stupid and completely nonsensical. Sure, it's not a fully formed human. But they're still human. Just because one's brain or heart isn't fully developed doesn't mean they are a different creature from what they will ultimately turn out to be.

A fetus is a pre-human, not a human.

Sapience is the very essence of what makes us human. A fetus isn't sapient.

Take a fetus out of the womb at 3 months and see how well it works for you.

Per dictionary.com, Sapient means 'having or showing great wisdom or sound judgment'. Sure, a fetus doesn't have great wisdom or sound judgement, but neither does a toddler. Do we have to start calling a toddler a 'pre-human' now?

That's an odd definition, since any reasonable definition wouldn't use "great wisdom."

Sapience is essentially the step above sentience. You can argue that a fetus demonstrates sentience, since it can react in a reflexive way to external stimuli, but it does not demonstrate sapience.

I looked around at other definitions of sapience, and pretty much everything has being "wise" or "sagacious (having or showing keen mental discernment and good judgement)" or "of sound judgment" in the definition. One version did have "intelligent life", but it was listed down in the alternate definitions with the notation "chiefly used in science fiction". Not the best word choice.

Based on your '3 months' line above, I think what you're trying to say is that because fetuses are incapable of survival outside the womb, they are not humans. Well, leaving aside the point that, by that definition, fetuses become human three weeks before birth (the last three weeks of pregnancy are completely unnecessary for the purpose of allowing the fetus to survive without an incubator's help), what you're also implying here is that dependency on someone else makes one not human. Since any human under 12 or so would surely die if left to survive on the streets absent some helpful bystander, what you are essentially saying is that humans are not humans in their first years of life outside the womb.

Ah, how an argument can fall apart.

I'm going to break this down for you, since you don't seem to grasp the concept. That's okay, I'm here to help you understand it. I'll put it in really simple terms, so even you can comprehend it.

A toddler, an infant which is out of the womb and surviving, is capable of conscious action. Conscious action based on their own thought. A fetus does not do this. All the talk of fetuses having "feeling" are based on the idea that since they react to external stimuli, they must be sapient. This is not the case. They react based on subconscious reflex. There's no thought to such action.
 

[YaBoyNY]

What characteristic does a human being have at the point of birth that it did not have a day before birth that provides the human its right to life?

The ability to think. The ability to rationalize. The very things that make us human.