Biden halts ammo to Israel

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https://www.axios.com/2024/05/05/israel-us-ammunition-shipment-hold

The Biden administration last week put a hold on a shipment of U.S.-made ammunition to Israel, two Israeli officials told Axios.

Why it matters: It is the first time since the Oct. 7 attack that the U.S. has stopped a weapons shipment intended for the Israeli military.

This is truly awful.

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Excellent news. This is the morally right thing to do, even if hit ends up hurting him politically.

This is terrible news and yes hopefully it does hurt him politically so he has to reverse course

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This is in Israel's best interest. They're creating more Hamas than they're eliminating at this point.

At some point, true friends step up to take your keys away.

We should not be taking the keys away . We should actively be supporting them fully occupying Gaza

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Biden is doing more to get me to vote for trump then trump

Tbf you can say that about both our nominees . Their best arguments is the other guy

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Biden is doing more to get me to vote for trump then trump

Tbf you can say that about both our nominees . Their best arguments is the other guy

There's still no comparison - one is doing a poor job of being a good President, the other very explicitly wants to be a dictator.

The latter is not gonna happen and frankly I really don’t care about the results of this presidential election anymore . It’s complete meh and all I can hope for is neither of these embarrassments get a trifecta .

Though if Trump picks Vance or Lee , that would push me back to my prior stance as two paleocons in the White House is just unacceptable. Or Biden can actually start actually cracking down on the increasing number of migrants who back our enemies , deal with the border because he still has 6 months left as president.

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Biden is doing more to get me to vote for trump then trump

Why are you basing your vote off a foreign country? As I've said before, Biden could go the Fetterman route and I would still back him because Trump hates America. It is not normal for a tiny country on the other side of the planet to hold so much sway over how so many vote. It is toxic.

Many conservatives never liked Biden especially given :

- How disastrous he’s been on immigration

- How much he has outsourced governing to a bunch of unelected civil service agents

- his inflationary economic policies


But we thought he would at least stand for a strong foreign policy and not put his political interests over our national security ones and the interests of our Allies.


I want to point out to Flyersfan though that if Trump picks Vance or Lee that then no this should not influence your vote because paleocons are terrible on foreign policy

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TIL that there are many people who if they had the power to stop the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians they'd refuse to do it.
Most of them are called Republicans.

P.S. Then again that fact should have been obvious by their constant simping of war criminals like Putin.

Netanyahu is more like Bush/Cheney than Putin and Bush/Cheney were justified in invading Afghanistan

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TIL that there are many people who if they had the power to stop the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians they'd refuse to do it.
Most of them are called Republicans.

P.S. Then again that fact should have been obvious by their constant simping of war criminals like Putin.

Netanyahu is more like Bush/Cheney than Putin and Bush/Cheney were justified in invading Afghanistan

Thanks for the totally irrelevant comment.

You just compared Netanyahu to Putin which is the false comparison.

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The real problem is not the ammo but the fact that foreign policy is now being controlled by a bunch of activists on both sides . We should have given full green light to Israel to completely invade Gaza months ago , rather than do all the bs that we did .

Sadly the Tucker and Cenk wings keep growing and both parties keep pandering to them cause “muh neocons are unpopular”.

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https://twitter.com/fawfulfan/status/1788551620759855265?s=46

What is Biden's own plan then? This is getting fustrating honestly. He gives ammo to Ukraine but prevents them from hitting Russian territory. He gives weapons to Israel but prevents them from eliminating Hamas. How are America's allies supposed to win if they can only fight with one hand behind their backs? At this point, might as well roll the dice with Trump. He will fully commit to helping Israel and maybe Ukraine too if they flatter him enough.

What if Trump picks Vance or Lee as VP though. The fact is what needs to be done is that actual Republicans who backed Haley need to pressure Trump not to pick a paleocon as VP and pick someone like Rubio instead . At the same time moderate Democrats need to put pressure on Biden to reverse decisions such as these .

The fact is right now the online base and activists are having disproportionate influence on foreign policy and the reason is they are the ones putting all sorts of political pressure on Trump/Biden (Trump though people like Tucker , Biden through protests ) and that’s the real problem we face .

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https://twitter.com/fawfulfan/status/1788551620759855265?s=46

What is Biden's own plan then? This is getting fustrating honestly. He gives ammo to Ukraine but prevents them from hitting Russian territory. He gives weapons to Israel but prevents them from eliminating Hamas. How are America's allies supposed to win if they can only fight with one hand behind their backs? At this point, might as well roll the dice with Trump. He will fully commit to helping Israel and maybe Ukraine too if they flatter him enough.

What if Trump picks Vance or Lee as VP though. The fact is what needs to be done is that actual Republicans who backed Haley need to pressure Trump not to pick a paleocon as VP and pick someone like Rubio instead . At the same time moderate Democrats need to put pressure on Biden to reverse decisions such as these .

The fact is right now the online base and activists are having disproportionate influence on foreign policy and the reason is they are the ones putting all sorts of political pressure on Trump/Biden (Trump though people like Tucker , Biden through protests ) and that’s the real problem we face .

Yeah Trump needs a good VP. I don't know what are Burgum's foreign policy views but he seems to be a standard old school republican like Pence so maybe he'd be fine? Vance or Lee would be disastrous of course but I don't think he'll pick them. Haley will also meet with donors (I posted the link in the primaries thread) so maybe she'll get them to pressure him too.

Rubio > Burgum imo and I also think he'd be the better pick politically too.

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Regardless of my own personal opinion on this, if I had to sum up my view on this whole ordeal this is it. There are completely valid positions on both sides here.

If you think Biden should be sending arms? Great! If you think he should be withholding arms in this instance? Great! Both are valid positions to take, and if you think that arms should continue to go, I’m not gonna fault you for that, I can totally get why you’d think that, hell I’m largely a neocon/interventionist on foreign policy myself!

That being said, if you’re a single issue voter on this, and if you’re saying things like Biden is “caving to the far left” that he’s “pro Hamas” or that this is some “unfathomable betrayal that is gonna lose him all of his support” then that’s stupid and I cannot take you seriously if you’re saying this.

He’s not gonna lose the votes of Pro Israel democrats, the question is what’s gonna happen with Haley voters . Most Haley voters already despise his policies on the economy, immigration but were considering supporting him for foreign policy reasons . Well if that reason is gone then , that hurts him as well given how narrowly he won in 2020 . Now does this mean Trump will get their votes , no because Trump still hasn’t given an indication that he will reach out to those voters but if he does then that could cause Biden real problems

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He’s not gonna lose the votes of Pro Israel democrats, the question is what’s gonna happen with Haley voters . Most Haley voters already despise his policies on the economy, immigration but were considering supporting him for foreign policy reasons . Well if that reason is gone then , that hurts him as well given how narrowly he won in 2020 . Now does this mean Trump will get their votes , no because Trump still hasn’t given an indication that he will reach out to those voters but if he does then that could cause Biden real problems

I'm sorry but does everybody understand how sociopathic this post is?
Encouraging Biden to stand by and watch the massacre of thousands of innocent women and children because if he does something to save them he might lose the votes of a handful of bigots?  

Thousands of german women and children were killed by the allies during WWII. Was it unjustified?

This comparison will never be relevant no matter how many times ethnic cleansing advocates invoke it.

Palestinian nationalism literally is the Islamic version of Nazism. Even Grand Mufti aside, they have stated over and over that they seek to genocide Jews and have proven over and over again they intend to do that no matter how many liberals seem to think they dont.

Despite all of this, they would have had a state by now if they did not reject deals Israel offered them in 2000 and 2008 because the reality is they hate Israel and Jews more than they want statehood . It is actually insane how you keep believing that Israel should just stand by and do nothing and smear their efforts as ethnic cleansing because it 100% is not.

The fact is the only way a two state solution will ever happen is Palestinian nationalism as its currently constructed is completely destroyed

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He’s not gonna lose the votes of Pro Israel democrats, the question is what’s gonna happen with Haley voters . Most Haley voters already despise his policies on the economy, immigration but were considering supporting him for foreign policy reasons . Well if that reason is gone then , that hurts him as well given how narrowly he won in 2020 . Now does this mean Trump will get their votes , no because Trump still hasn’t given an indication that he will reach out to those voters but if he does then that could cause Biden real problems

I'm sorry but does everybody understand how sociopathic this post is?
Encouraging Biden to stand by and watch the massacre of thousands of innocent women and children because if he does something to save them he might lose the votes of a handful of bigots?  

Thousands of german women and children were killed by the allies during WWII. Was it unjustified?

We aren't in the 1940s any more. People have supposedly evolved.
These atrocities were the impetus to adopt the Geneva conventions and establish what constitutes a war crime.

Israel and Ukraine winning is more important than international law. I would be perfectly fine with Ukraine hitting inside Russian territory if that means they have a better chance of winning the war even if it violates some so called ICC law.

The latter is useless , and the fact is all these liberal internationalist organizations have proven to be nothing but failures reigning in the power of the CCP, Russia and Islamists.

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He’s not gonna lose the votes of Pro Israel democrats, the question is what’s gonna happen with Haley voters . Most Haley voters already despise his policies on the economy, immigration but were considering supporting him for foreign policy reasons . Well if that reason is gone then , that hurts him as well given how narrowly he won in 2020 . Now does this mean Trump will get their votes , no because Trump still hasn’t given an indication that he will reach out to those voters but if he does then that could cause Biden real problems

I'm sorry but does everybody understand how sociopathic this post is?
Encouraging Biden to stand by and watch the massacre of thousands of innocent women and children because if he does something to save them he might lose the votes of a handful of bigots?  

Thousands of german women and children were killed by the allies during WWII. Was it unjustified?

This comparison will never be relevant no matter how many times ethnic cleansing advocates invoke it.

Palestinian nationalism literally is the Islamic version of Nazism. Even Grand Mufti aside, they have stated over and over that they seek to genocide Jews and have proven over and over again they intend to do that no matter how many liberals seem to think they dont.

Despite all of this, they would have had a state by now if they did not reject deals Israel offered them in 2000 and 2008 because the reality is they hate Israel and Jews more than they want statehood . It is actually insane how you keep believing that Israel should just stand by and do nothing and smear their efforts as ethnic cleansing because it 100% is not.

The fact is the only way a two state solution will ever happen is Palestinian nationalism as its currently constructed is completely destroyed

Lol, I never said Israel should "do nothing." I've only said they shouldn't indiscriminately bomb civilians in urban areas for the sole purpose of bloodthirsty revenge. If you're so concerned about antisemitism, why are you encouraging the Jewish state to pursue a path that is turning it into an international pariah hated by Muslims everywhere? Antisemitism is inherently irrational and racist. Why give people a concrete excuse to adhere to it?

Israel is less of a pariah than it was 40 years ago in the region and the world so this point is false. Its only more so among brainwashed young progressives and young paleocons

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Israel and Ukraine winning is more important than international law. I would be perfectly fine with Ukraine hitting inside Russian territory if that means they have a better chance of winning the war even if it violates some so called ICC law.

The latter is useless , and the fact is all these liberal internationalist organizations have proven to be nothing but failures reigning in the power of the CCP, Russia and Islamists.

I just pray to God that a majority of Americans haven't your mentality or otherwise the Mad Max series will become a frightening reality.

My mentality is literally the law of the US . We are required under law to invade The Hague if they ever arrest any of our politicians or military officials .

Also under Trump and Biden we have pretty much rendered international organizations like the WTO as meaningless as well as we have repeatedly defied their rulings

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Why should Israel give a frick about being hated by Muslims? Their mere existence is enough for Muslims to hate them, so there's no reason to care. America and Europe are perpetually unpopular in these "Muslim" countries (until comes the time to beg for asylum) and there's not much they can do. Hell, based on what I know of sharia, if radical islamists don't hate you, you must be doing something wrong.

Can't speak for Israel, but I care because of the chain of logic it creates. People like you and OSR constantly make thinly-veiled remarks about how "antisemitism should be eradicated." What does antisemitism mean? Apparently, it means hating Israel. Well, guess what-- there are two million people in Gaza (granted, fewer with each passing day) who hate Israel for perfectly good reasons. What exactly do you want to do to them? Please, just come out and say it. Stop wasting everybody's time with these pathetic obfuscations.

The people of Gaza are free to hate Israel for whatever reasons they want.  They are not entitled to lob rockets into civilian areas, and Israel is allowed to defend itself and respond to such attacks.

Also Israel is fully justified in fully occupying Gaza for the foreseeable future

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Why should Israel give a frick about being hated by Muslims? Their mere existence is enough for Muslims to hate them, so there's no reason to care. America and Europe are perpetually unpopular in these "Muslim" countries (until comes the time to beg for asylum) and there's not much they can do. Hell, based on what I know of sharia, if radical islamists don't hate you, you must be doing something wrong.

Can't speak for Israel, but I care because of the chain of logic it creates. People like you and OSR constantly make thinly-veiled remarks about how "antisemitism should be eradicated." What does antisemitism mean? Apparently, it means hating Israel. Well, guess what-- there are two million people in Gaza (granted, fewer with each passing day) who hate Israel for perfectly good reasons. What exactly do you want to do to them? Please, just come out and say it. Stop wasting everybody's time with these pathetic obfuscations.

The people of Gaza are free to hate Israel for whatever reasons they want.  They are not entitled to lob rockets into civilian areas, and Israel is allowed to defend itself and respond to such attacks.

Also Israel is fully justified in fully occupying Gaza for the foreseeable future

And do what? 50 years of humiliation and apartheid just like the West Bank? I know you don't consider Palestinians worthy of human rights, but even ignoring all of that, how is that good for Israel? How is becoming South Africa 2.0 good? How is becoming an international pariah (outside of neocon circles) good? Congrats, Israel is now your Republican cause de jore. You can ing have them. But a lot of people look and 35k dead, a racist government (don't dispute it, look at the government and tell me they aren't racist), and an increasingly messianic movement, and don't want to deal with that.

Netanyahu is the worst Jewish leader in a millennium, and he's the guy you stan. Jesus.

No I do not think Netanyahu is good . Israel should have done a quick invasion of Gaza and then moved towards a counter insurgency approach after that was done .

Also no your point is false . Israel/Palestine is an establishment vs anti establishment issue not right vs left . Just look at this very forum or house votes about this and you can see that Democrats like Richie Torres share my view on this while Lauren Boebert does not and on here you can see that Democrats like S019 and AtorBoltox shared my view on this while Yellowhammer did not . You can see this in media as well as Tucker Carlson is anti Israel while the main stream media is pro Israel