Israel hits back against Iran (bombs Isfahan, home to nuclear facilities)

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The US should tell Iran if they launch missiles at Israel , we will utterly destroy their offensive military capabilities and we have the ability to do so without sending a single ground troop

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I'm just loving how peaceful the world is under Biden.

I’m loving the fact the government of the most powerful country in the world isn’t run by isolationists

While isolationism isn't the answer, we are still trying to play world cop far too much. It really needs to end.

No , we would have had a better chance of deterring Iran if we had send our Air Force a week ago . Peace comes through a show of strength and the enemies of freedom knowing that they will be utterly destroyed if they dare start a war

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I'm just loving how peaceful the world is under Biden.

I’m loving the fact the government of the most powerful country in the world isn’t run by isolationists

While isolationism isn't the answer, we are still trying to play world cop far too much. It really needs to end.

No , we would have had a better chance of deterring Iran if we had send our Air Force a week ago . Peace comes through a show of strength and the enemies of freedom knowing that they will be utterly destroyed if they dare start a war

Why the hell should we risk our men and women for Israel?

Israel is not the 51st state.

America can easily survive without Israel.

Israel is not a loyal friend.

Israel is not particularly important to us.

Let them go. JFC.

We can destroy Iranian offensive capabilities without sending a single ground troop . We can devastate Iran through the air and they have zero ability to respond

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I'm just loving how peaceful the world is under Biden.

I’m loving the fact the government of the most powerful country in the world isn’t run by isolationists

While isolationism isn't the answer, we are still trying to play world cop far too much. It really needs to end.

No , we would have had a better chance of deterring Iran if we had send our Air Force a week ago . Peace comes through a show of strength and the enemies of freedom knowing that they will be utterly destroyed if they dare start a war

Why the hell should we risk our men and women for Israel?

Israel is not the 51st state.

America can easily survive without Israel.

Israel is not a loyal friend.

Israel is not particularly important to us.

Let them go. JFC.

We can destroy Iranian offensive capabilities without sending a single ground troop . We can devastate Iran through the air and they have zero ability to respond

Why? They didn't attack us. They didn't attack NATO.

Enough dead kids.

Kuwait wasn’t a NATO member and desert storm was more than worth it and I’m not even saying we should do a ground operation similar to desert storm . Just the air operation.

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The US should tell Iran if they launch missiles at Israel , we will utterly destroy their offensive military capabilities and we have the ability to do so without sending a single ground troop

We do not need to be Israel's bodyguard and be the first country to rush to its defense whenever something happens - at least not in this manner. This sort of a response would only escalate tensions.

The American response needs to be cautious and carefully calculated, not a knee-jerk, virtue-signaling direct threat that will only make this sh**tshow even more chaotic than it already is.

It’s called deterrence and yes we absolutely should be there to protect an ally . Stop letting Iraq syndrome affect your views . Not every war leads to invasion and occupation, and we can respond more like how we did in operation desert storm(except with no ground troops).

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I'm just loving how peaceful the world is under Biden.

I’m loving the fact the government of the most powerful country in the world isn’t run by isolationists

While isolationism isn't the answer, we are still trying to play world cop far too much. It really needs to end.

No , we would have had a better chance of deterring Iran if we had send our Air Force a week ago . Peace comes through a show of strength and the enemies of freedom knowing that they will be utterly destroyed if they dare start a war

Why the hell should we risk our men and women for Israel?

Israel is not the 51st state.

America can easily survive without Israel.

Israel is not a loyal friend.

Israel is not particularly important to us.

Let them go. JFC.

I'd certainly refrain from this rhetoric, but I agree with the essence of it. We do not need to jump knee-deep into this quagmire out of blind and undeserved loyalty.

Ukraine, when it was invaded by Russia, had more of a moral claim to American support than Israel does now. Yet our response wasn't the knee-jerk offensive OSR is advocating, and at the end of the day, we made the right decision. America directly attacking Russia or committing troops would have been a disastrous move. And the same logic applies to this situation (except keep in mind that Iran is not entirely without provocation, whereas the Russian invasion was utterly unprovoked).

Russia has thousands of nukes , Iran doesn’t have a single one . That’s a massive difference

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I'm just loving how peaceful the world is under Biden.

I’m loving the fact the government of the most powerful country in the world isn’t run by isolationists

While isolationism isn't the answer, we are still trying to play world cop far too much. It really needs to end.

No , we would have had a better chance of deterring Iran if we had send our Air Force a week ago . Peace comes through a show of strength and the enemies of freedom knowing that they will be utterly destroyed if they dare start a war

Why the hell should we risk our men and women for Israel?

Israel is not the 51st state.

America can easily survive without Israel.

Israel is not a loyal friend.

Israel is not particularly important to us.

Let them go. JFC.

We can destroy Iranian offensive capabilities without sending a single ground troop . We can devastate Iran through the air and they have zero ability to respond

Why? They didn't attack us. They didn't attack NATO.

Enough dead kids.

Kuwait wasn’t a NATO member and desert storm was more than worth it and I’m not even saying we should do a ground operation similar to desert storm . Just the air operation.

That was a one-sided invasion much like Russia invading Ukraine. This is far more complicated, and dare I say two-sided, than either of those conflicts.

No it’s not . The Islamists are 100% to blame for this and Iran is the primary reason why peace never happened between Israel and Palestine in the 1990s and 2000s . Iran funded Hamas and Hezbollah and are 100% to blame for the conflict lasting to this day .

Also Russia having nukes is the reason why we didn’t directly intervene or we likely do intervene. A country having nukes does change the calculation on how you can respond

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https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1779244135641149536

Guess what: I totally believe this!

Ever since Pres Bidens disastrous Afghanistan Withdrawal it emboldened our Enemies. This is the end Result.

We so badly need leadership like Reagan or HW back in the WH today .

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https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1779244135641149536

Guess what: I totally believe this!

Ever since Pres Bidens disastrous Afghanistan Withdrawal it emboldened our Enemies. This is the end Result.

We so badly need leadership like Reagan or HW back in the WH today .

Your party is the one who stabbed Ukraine in the back and sent this signal to Iran OSR

Donald Trump ain’t Ronald Reagan and sadly George W Bush wasn’t His father

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https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1779244135641149536

Guess what: I totally believe this!

Ever since Pres Bidens disastrous Afghanistan Withdrawal it emboldened our Enemies. This is the end Result.

We so badly need leadership like Reagan or HW back in the WH today .

Your party is the one who stabbed Ukraine in the back and sent this signal to Iran OSR

Donald Trump ain’t Ronald Reagan and sadly George W Bush wasn’t His father

Reagan objected to communism, not Russia. Doubt he would've cared much about Russia invading Ukraine.

He also forcefully told Israel to cool it a few times. Braver than Biden in that regard.

Russia invading Ukraine dents American hegemony and he absolutely cared about that

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I'm just loving how peaceful the world is under Biden.

Jimmy Carter is the real president to blame for this .

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/10/ayatollah-khomeini-jimmy-carter-administration-iran-revolution

The BBC’s reporting suggests that the Carter administration took heed of Khomeini’s pledges, and in effect paved the way for his return by holding the Iranian army back from launching a military coup.

Carter’s intervened to stop the Iranian military from stopping the revolution and his decision to do so has been nothing but a disaster for the Middle East . Imagine if Iran today was led by a western ally instead of an Islamist , because if it was the Middle East would be far more peaceful today and you may have seen a two state solution by now (since it was the Ayotallah’s Iran that funded Hamas and Hezbollah).

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I'm just loving how peaceful the world is under Biden.

Jimmy Carter is the real president to blame for this .

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/10/ayatollah-khomeini-jimmy-carter-administration-iran-revolution

The BBC’s reporting suggests that the Carter administration took heed of Khomeini’s pledges, and in effect paved the way for his return by holding the Iranian army back from launching a military coup.

Carter’s intervened to stop the Iranian military from stopping the revolution and his decision to do so has been nothing but a disaster for the Middle East . Imagine if Iran today was led by a western ally instead of an Islamist , because if it was the Middle East would be far more peaceful today and you may have seen a two state solution by now (since it was the Ayotallah’s Iran that funded Hamas and Hezbollah).

And I suppose it's Harry Truman's fault that China went communist.

Very different situation. Here are some of the differences:


- Iran was not embroiled in a decades long civil war

- The CIA had only been established for around 2 years when China fell, while it had been around for more than 30 years by the time Iran fell

- We had experienced the consequences of China falling in the decades post 1949 so not taking action from letting it happen again is far worse than letting it happen in the first place

- It would be far easier to stop the rise of Islamists in Iran than it would be to stop the Communists in China in general.

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- It would be far easier to stop the rise of Islamists in Iran than it would be to stop the Communists in China in general.

What are you basing this on?

China was embroiled in a decades long civil war by the time China fell and the Soviets were directly helping the communists in China which would make stopping their rise harder.

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An important point:

"Iran launched 185 drones, 110 ballistic missiles and 36 cruise missiles at Israel.

The lack of significant damage isn’t because Iran didn’t try, but a testament to Israeli and U.S. air defense and air power."

https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1779421078344941749

Power-mad and insane as he may be, I strongly doubt Bibi feels this will be sufficient provocation to enter into a protracted military conflict that Iran is calculating to pariah Israel even further, particularly when Iran will say this was not unprovoked but a response to the embassy attack.

I am also not sure if Israel could defeat Iran without direct US involvement either

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Despite being pretty hawkish overall , I will say that I am extremely unsure of what the reaction by Israel should be . While in theory they should strike back , the consequences of doing so may be worse than not doing so . Even if the US directly gets involved and helps Israel disable Iran’s offensive capabilities, Iran still has the capabilities of causing far more damage to Israel than even 10/7 in the time before their offensive capabilities are disabled .

This doesn’t even also take into account the fact that Syria and Lebanon could also declare war on Israel then , which would be utterly disastrous for Israel and also would set of the worst Middle East war since WW1 as Jordan and Egypt then get dragged in to. In fact the Situation in the Middle East right now looks eerily similar to Europe in the year leading up to the Summer of 1914 where one event can lead to an entire region being at war .

At the same time , Israel not doing something can make them look weak and vulnerable for more attacks which also would be disastrous. So all I can hope is any decision that is made , is made cautiously with all potential consequences assessed before a Decision is made

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Saw some clickbait Twitter accounts claiming that an Israeli counter-strike is coming. Anything to it, or just nonsense?

I mean “counter strike” can mean a lot of things . Striking Iran directly would be very different than striking one of their militias .

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Do you think Iran's evident incapability to mount a serious response to these attacks is going to cause any reflection amongst the usual suspects on here, or will they just move on to the next reason how 'Biden is starting WW3' within a few hours?

It’s simply a way for people to try to find a way to justify abandoning Israel for the sake of domestic politics. The fact is Israel did not strike anywhere near as much as they could have so if Iran retaliates with full scale war , it would be on  Iran not Israel . The people who even claim Israel started this are laughably wrong given that Iran literally funds Hamas and Hezbollah. 10/7 literally would not have happened if not for Iranian funding