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« on: December 20, 2023, 01:19:48 PM »

Tilt FF. His presidency will face far more scrutiny in the long run than it currently does.
This is where I am now, too.

The way Obama is viewed now is similar to how Bill Clinton was viewed a decade ago, and we all know Clinton's stock fell since then, abet for different reasons than I think Obama's will.

Bill Clinton in 2012 was arguably viewed in higher regard than Obama now as even progressive media used to praise him and by many Americans he was viewed as the last president who presided over a good economy.
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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2023, 04:31:20 PM »

Kind of shocking he's under water now in a forum that is predominantly liberal or to the left of center.

A lot of this is because Obama’s FP legacy looking back was clearly disastrous and people only didn’t think so at the time because his predecessor was George W Bush . His domestic policy legacy is also not that great in hindsight given the bipartisan deals Biden has made in an even more polarized time and his academic style of liberalism has not worked out anywhere near as good as people thought at the time .

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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2023, 11:57:05 AM »

Kind of shocking he's under water now in a forum that is predominantly liberal or to the left of center.

A lot of this is because Obama’s FP legacy looking back was clearly disastrous and people only didn’t think so at the time because his predecessor was George W Bush .

Obama’s foreign policy was the strongest part of his Presidency.

No lol . Here’s a list of his foreign policy failures :

- Completely Bungled the Iraq Withdrawal: Keep in mind Iraq by 2011 was relatively peaceful and the insurgency was mostly destroyed. If Obama negotiated a status of force agreement, it would be easier to nip the rise of ISIS in the bud and also keep more American influence in the region

- Libya Intervention was a disaster: Look at how Libya has been since 2011. What Obama did in Libya was basically removing a government without doing anything to help create a replacement which obviously will be a disaster

- Funding the Syrian Rebels : Much of them turned out to be jihadists and it also helped further destabilize one of the biggest enemies against ISIS.

- Waiting too long to intervene against ISIS : Even if we withdrew , we should have launched Operation Inherent Resolve much earlier as doing so would have prevented ISIS from taking the territory they did

- Was extremely weak on Russia : He did the Russian reset after they already invaded Georgia, withdrew a plan to build a Missile defense system , and mocked the idea that they were a threat . Heck even after Russia invaded Crimea , Obama responded in an extremely weak way as he literally said Russia doing this is proof in itself they are weak and even opposed many of the actions  that Trump would implement because he was afraid of overreacting too much .

Like despite the rhetoric , Obama made Donald Trump look like First Term Reagan in comparison on Russia policy . It was a complete disaster and people just conveniently forget this now

- He did nothing to stop Maduro from consolidating power

His foreign policy by any objective means was an abject disaster and clearly had a worse Foreign policy record than Clinton , Trump and Biden
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