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« on: September 18, 2023, 11:08:50 PM »

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/18/americas/canada-hardeep-singh-nijjar-india-intl/index.html

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Canada has expelled a top Indian diplomat from the country, after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau described “credible allegations” linking India’s government to the assassination of a Canadian citizen and prominent Sikh leader.

“Over the past number of weeks, Canadian security agencies have been actively pursuing credible allegations of a potential link between agents of the government of India and the killing of a Canadian citizen Hardeep Singh Nijjar,” Trudeau said in parliament on Monday, adding his government would take all steps necessary ‘“to hold perpetrators of this murder to account.”

Nijjar was a prominent Sikh leader in British Columbia, and according to local police, he was gunned down in his truck in June by two masked gunmen outside a Sikh temple in Surrey, BC. His death both shocked and outraged the large Sikh community in Canada that now numbers in the hundreds of thousands

India designated Nijjar a terrorist threat several years ago, labeling him part of a separatist movement for Sikhism.


India has responded by denying the allegations


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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2023, 09:21:59 AM »

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/countrys-concerns-paramount-congress-backs-centre-over-india-vs-canada-4402858

The INC backs the BJP over this
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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2023, 09:22:26 AM »

Note that Hardeep Singh Nijjar is a Khalistan leader and is considered a terrorist.  States do this all the time: take out people who they consider terrorists and national security threats.  This sounds like a diplomatic failure between India and Canada.  This should have been resolved behind the scenes without going public mostly because this is pretty much SOP for powerful states to do all the time. 

You don’t do it in nations like Canada though.
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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2023, 02:15:34 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2023, 04:43:02 PM »

Just to be clear.  Even the anti-BJP part of the Indian media (mostly English-speaking) is attacking Trudeau even while they avoid praising Modi on this issue.


Foreign policy is usually an issue that tends to have bipartisan consensus regardless of country unless the country gets dragged into a conflict that’s not going well.

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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2023, 04:48:45 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2023, 02:06:11 AM »

This feels like one of those things that's so extreme that you don't do it unless you have serious proof, so I'm definitely holding off on condemning Canada right now.
Yeah, I'm at a loss here of what to believe. On one hand, overseas assassinations in western countries are simply not in Modi's (or India's) playbook. On the other hand, regardless of what I think of Trudeau, lying about this does not seem like something he would do.

Either India's fopo playbook has radically changed and they're suddenly doing things that only pariah states and superpowers can get away with, or Trudeau is making up a giant lie and creating an international incident for the sake of trying to create a "rally around the flag" support bump and distract from the housing/COL crisis in light of his recent polling collapse. I'm much more inclined to believe the former than the latter.

The opposition in India is backing Modi on this and neither the US and especially the UK are really backing up Canada either . It’s looking like Trudeau tried to exploit the situation for political gain and he’s not really getting any backing at all .

The reason though why Trudeau isn’t getting international backing is there is a belief that Canada has given harbor to Khalistanian terrorists for the past few decades so their is an argument to be made that this action wasn’t really that different than what the Mossad does for example .  The fact is we really don’t know what happened because neither side has released evidence and we should wait till we do .

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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2023, 09:19:15 AM »

You have to be ridiculously gullible to believe Modi lol

Except this isn’t just Modi

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/countrys-concerns-paramount-congress-backs-centre-over-india-vs-canada-4402858

Liberal media outlets in India who are usually very anti Modi are backing him on this . Trudeau on the other hand was literally just rebuffed by the UK and the opposition in Canada is beginning to ask questions about this.

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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2023, 09:30:34 AM »

I don't like or trust Trudeau, but it remains a real stretch that he would just make something like this up - and I agree that citing the Indian opposition or other governments (who will often have their own reasons for wanting to stay sweet with Modi) as "proof" otherwise is pretty meaningless.

India has wanted to create its own Mossad for quite some time , stretching back before Modi too . They just have never been powerful enough to pull it off , but this is something either party in India would do .

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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2023, 09:39:29 AM »

They didn't do it. But if they did it was a) very good, actually and b) an impressive sign of strength. I see.

Well they need to give proof he way actually a terrorist first before I believe anyone should give judgments .

Anyway I along with most Republicans running for president believe we should use the CIA to go after Fentnyl dealers overseas and take them out if necessary .

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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2023, 10:30:08 AM »

The main Indian media (pro- and anti- BJP) talking point are

a) Evasive on if the Indian government had any involvement in the killing or not
b) Complain that  Trudeau and the Canadian government are harboring and enabling Khalistan terrorists
c) Blast Trudeau for making this public without evidence without committing to an assertion that the Indian government had nothing to do with the killing
d) Inferring and hinting that if the Indian government was behind it then it is a good thing anyway since he had it coming
Sounds like the classic "we didn't do this but hypothetically if we did it was totally justified".

Do you support the Mossad and do you think we should emulate the Mossad by taking out Fentnyl dealers overseas like DeSantis wants to do .

If this guy was actually a terrorist and there is evidence Canada was harboring terrorists then I don’t see how it’s any different than what the Mossad or what DeSantis wants to do and btw I support both . The thing is we haven’t seen the evidence yet which is why the US has stayed quiet on this as well other than the typical “this needs to be investigated throughly” statement .

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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2023, 10:45:49 AM »

The main Indian media (pro- and anti- BJP) talking point are

a) Evasive on if the Indian government had any involvement in the killing or not
b) Complain that  Trudeau and the Canadian government are harboring and enabling Khalistan terrorists
c) Blast Trudeau for making this public without evidence without committing to an assertion that the Indian government had nothing to do with the killing
d) Inferring and hinting that if the Indian government was behind it then it is a good thing anyway since he had it coming
Sounds like the classic "we didn't do this but hypothetically if we did it was totally justified".

Do you support the Mossad and do you think we should emulate the Mossad by taking out Fentnyl dealers overseas like DeSantis wants to do .

If this guy was actually a terrorist and there is evidence Canada was harboring terrorists then I don’t see how it’s any different than what the Mossad or what DeSantis wants to do and btw I support both . The thing is we haven’t seen the evidence yet which is why the US has stayed quiet on this as well other than the typical “this needs to be investigated throughly” statement .


Just because I support justified foreign assassinations by my country (which does not mean I support all foreign assassinations by my country) doesn't mean I support unjustified foreign assassinations by other countries.

If he was actually a terrorist then how would it be unjustified and any different from what the Mossad does .
 
Anyway how can you trust Trudeau on this given he did nothing to stop Chinese interference into Canadian elections so that proves he cares more about his own political prospects then the interests of his nation
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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2023, 12:59:51 PM »
« Edited: September 21, 2023, 01:04:37 PM by Old School Republican »

The main Indian media (pro- and anti- BJP) talking point are

a) Evasive on if the Indian government had any involvement in the killing or not
b) Complain that  Trudeau and the Canadian government are harboring and enabling Khalistan terrorists
c) Blast Trudeau for making this public without evidence without committing to an assertion that the Indian government had nothing to do with the killing
d) Inferring and hinting that if the Indian government was behind it then it is a good thing anyway since he had it coming
Sounds like the classic "we didn't do this but hypothetically if we did it was totally justified".

Do you support the Mossad and do you think we should emulate the Mossad by taking out Fentnyl dealers overseas like DeSantis wants to do .

If this guy was actually a terrorist and there is evidence Canada was harboring terrorists then I don’t see how it’s any different than what the Mossad or what DeSantis wants to do and btw I support both . The thing is we haven’t seen the evidence yet which is why the US has stayed quiet on this as well other than the typical “this needs to be investigated throughly” statement .


Just because I support justified foreign assassinations by my country (which does not mean I support all foreign assassinations by my country) doesn't mean I support unjustified foreign assassinations by other countries.

If he was actually a terrorist then how would it be unjustified and any different from what the Mossad does .
 
Anyway how can you trust Trudeau on this given he did nothing to stop Chinese interference into Canadian elections so that proves he cares more about his own political prospects then the interests of his nation
What evidence is there that he was actually a terrorist? Advocating for Khalistan does not make someone a terrorist.

I said we should wait for either side to release evidence before jumping to conclusions here . The fact the US and the UK are responding the way they are makes me think that he was one .

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/who-was-hardeep-singh-nijjar-the-sikh-activist-whose-killing-has-divided-canada-and-india


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In 2016, Indian media reported that Nijjar was suspected of masterminding a bombing in the Sikh-majority state of Punjab and training terrorists in a small city southeast of Vancouver. He denied the allegations.

In 2020, Indian authorities claimed Nijjar was a member of a banned militant group and designated him a terrorist. That year, they also filed a criminal case against him as farmers, many from Punjab, camped out on the edges of New Delhi to protest controversial agriculture laws. The Indian government initially tried to discredit the protests by associating them with Sikh separatists, filing a number of such cases against Sikh activists in India and abroad.

Last year, Indian authorities accused Nijjar of involvement in an alleged attack on a Hindu priest in India and announced a reward of about $16,000 for information leading to his arrest.

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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2023, 12:08:25 AM »

Canada is a weak and woke country under trudeau.

God you sound so stupid. Go live in India if Canada is too woke for you. Maybe I can take your place in Canada so its wokeness can protect me from based anti woke nationalists in my country.


Lol, his favorite politician in his lifetime is not Modi but Stephen Harper and he would easily take living in Stephen Harper's Canada again.

Anyway Trudeau is collapsing in the polls and Poilievre Tories even lead with young voters now so he may get his wish soon as Polievre was mentored by Harper as well.
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« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2023, 12:33:17 PM »

India Today C-Voter survey on this crisis

What if India killed Khalistan terrorists
They did the right thing          61%
They are wrong                     14%

Is Trudeau supporting Khalistan terrorists
Yes                                      60%
No                                       18%

Did Indian agencies kill the Khalistan terrorist
Yes                                      16%
No                                       57%

Are Indian diplomats in Canada unsafe
Yes                                       54%
No                                        27%
Who cares what Indians think? This is an issue of Canadian sovereignty.

Canada has an awful awful history of harboring terrorists . Literally Canada has nobody but to blame but themselves for it .

The fact is the reason they are distrusted is a bunch of Khalistanian terrorists bombed an Air India plane in the 1980s and then the Canadian judicial system let a bunch of them out of prison at some point afterwards. To add insult on injury the leader of the NDP as late of 2017 refused to condemn the mastermind of that very attack and given he is an unofficial coalition partner, that makes things even worse for Canada .

 
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« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2024, 09:25:18 PM »


So it seems like Trudeau lied in an attempt to get a rally around the flag effect. Not surprised given his history and it seems like it didnt work and Polievre is still up 20+ points in the polls.

Anyway from what it looks like , this if anything would be blamed on Trudeau's failed immigration policies
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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2024, 10:02:09 PM »


So it seems like Trudeau lied in an attempt to get a rally around the flag effect. Not surprised given his history and it seems like it didnt work and Polievre is still up 20+ points in the polls.

Anyway from what it looks like , this if anything would be blamed on Trudeau's failed immigration policies

Your support for India's insane government is pathetic.

Wouldn't be surprised if it turns out they are involved somehow. India is quickly devolving into a one-party fascist state and I wouldn't put murdering overseas dissidents past them. Especially when they called him a "Khalistani terrorist."

India’s opposition is far crazier and has a much larger history of being authoritarian than the BJP. Given that you said you prefer Indira Gandhi to Ronald Reagan , you really don’t have much to say at all as Indira was more authoritarian than any American , Canadian , or Indian Leader .

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« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2024, 04:32:07 PM »

Meanwhile, the Prime Minister of Bangladesh accuses Canada of harboring the man who assassinated her father, the "founding father" of Bangladesh.

Don’t forget that Canada gave 10 million dollars to a terrorist that murdered an American solider
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