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« on: January 13, 2023, 05:02:21 PM »
« edited: January 13, 2023, 05:07:07 PM by Old School Republican »

I will repost this as it shows that all the wings of a particular ideology are contradictory to some extent. Basically the reason for this is its impossible for an super coherent ideology across the board to really represent one whole side of a nation as large as ours.

So basically this is what I would say when you hear catchphrases:

"Small Government" is representing Economic Conservatism
"Family Values" is representing Social Conservatism
"Strong Defense" is representing National Security Conservatism


And social conservatives would make the same argument in reverse that policies that break up traditional norms due to pro growth policies  are not conservative either . Anyway this is all semantics as everyone knows that what is defined as a conservative here is a coalition of different types of conservatives and not a single brand of it and all 3 contradict each other in some ways and did even in the “3 legged stool” era of Conservatism .

Economic Conservatives: They are for low taxes , less regulation, less spending , generally pro business policies and also “small government”.

National Security Conservatives: They are for maintaining  American Hegemony which means a strong national defense , tougher stance against adversaries , and intervening to promote our interests and to shape the world in our image

Social conservatives: They are for promoting traditional “family values and norms” , are very religious etc


So yes all have naturally contradictory beliefs .

Economic and National Security: Flies right into the fact of economic conservatives that spending should be cut and visa versa

Economic and Social Conservatives: Can contradict small government belief of economic conservatives and promoting traditional values of social conservatives

National Security and Social : Many times goals of nationals security conservatives can push other nations to become more socially liberal.


The job of a political party is to put all these things together and what the GOP generally has done is by choosing the ones that contradict the least from each and dropping the others. So what each has chosen is:


Economic Conservatives: Low Taxes and Less Regulations

National Security Conservatives: More Military Spending and tougher stance against adversaries(Of course what the main adversary is has also changed with time)

Social Conservatives: Anti Abortion and defending norms that have at least 40% support from the nation.

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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2023, 01:53:06 PM »

It just feels weird. Ever since I started following politics 20 years ago, Republicans have always been the "ban it" party. Ban abortion, ban gay marriage, ban or restrict trans healthcare for adults, keep weed banned, ban sodomy, ban porn, ban books, ban flag-burning, ban gay teachers from displaying photos of their spouse. Hell, I'm surprised we haven't had a Republican legislator propose a bill banning watermelon knives. The only thing Republicans don't want to ban is guns -- ironically the one issue I agree more with Republicans than Democrats on.

Now this doesn't absolve Democrats of their own authoritarian behaviors and ideas. Banning plastic straws and big gulps helps no one, doesn't actually do anything for the environment, and can make life worse for some people (i.e. disabled people who require plastic straws to avoid choking).

Some of the things Democrats want to ban are ridiculous, but that's just a hilarious contrast in terms of severity when you look at them side-by-side. Republicans want to ban homosexuality, freedom of speech, recreational drugs... and Democrats want to ban plastic straws.

Democrats are more anti freedom of speech than Republicans.
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2023, 03:15:00 PM »

The one constant divide from the 1930s to the present between the major parties is on the size of the welfare-regulatory state. Most actual legislation and a significant proportion of presidential decision-making falls into this category. In practice, this makes the Democratic Party the inherent pro-government party and the GOP a permanent opposition. This is the principal reason for why "conservative governance" has been made an oxymoron.

Yah lets be real: Other than 1980-2008 the Republicans have been a minority party that just reacts to whatever the Democrats do rather than actually setting the agenda/narrative ever since FDR crushed them in 1932.

1980-2008 was the one exception where the Republicans actually set the policy agenda and it was the Democrats who were reacting and adjusting
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2023, 07:15:10 PM »

Democrats are more anti freedom of speech than Republicans.

No they're not. The GOP is the party of book bans, shutting down protests, and prohibiting flag burning.

"Book Bans" - Public Schools are not entitled to teach whatever they want. They are paid and employed by the taxpayer so this point is bs.

"Shutting Down Protests"- The summer of 2020 protests were riots not protests

"Prohibiting flag burning"- there is no serious attempt to do this
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