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« on: November 30, 2022, 01:27:41 PM »

Why not hold IA/NH/SC/NV at the same day . If you did that combination would actually be very representative of the Democratic Party and pretty much compromise every wing of the dem party .
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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2022, 01:34:25 PM »

Good riddance. As long as Iowans continue to prove that they refuse to live in the 21st Century, they are more deserving of losing the only reason that anybody really cared about the state in the first place.

Actually the reason people cared about that state in the 2010s was because it was the state that made Barack Obama’s candidacy possible . In fact pre Iowa Clinton was leading Obama in South Carolina so without IA , Obama very May never be the nominee .
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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2022, 01:42:17 PM »

The DNC likes to front load southern states. Their democratic primary voters are mostly older African Americans who typically vote for more moderate candidates

Although, this does have a point. Democrats can’t win the presidency without high black turnout in Milwaukee, Detroit, and Philadelphia. Allowing someone like Pete Buttigieg to win the nomination without black support would doom chances in a general election.

Hence I support a national primary day where every state voted. Candidates would have to balance every region

How would you prevent a fifty-state same-day primary from overwhelmingly favoring candidates with high nationwide name recognition and lots of cash? Obama would've probably failed to get the nomination in '08 under this system.


(Btw, I’m extremely skeptical Obama wouldn’t be the nominee in 2008. The party fell in love with him after he gave the keynote address at the 2004 DNC. He only ran because
Chuck Schumer and Harry Reid, the two most powerful senate democrats, went to his office and begged him to run against Hillary, their close congressional ally)

Obama barely won the nomination in 2008 to begin with and his strategy relied on the nomination relied on dominating the caucuses which were far more prevalent then they are today as he didn’t really do good in the larger state primaries . Obama’s nomination was very much a victory of playing the delegate math game In a brilliant fashion and he just would not be able to do that if there was a national one day primary .

In fact he may have not won the nomination if it was held under 2020 rules which had far less caucuses . If you want to see how much caucuses benefited him just look at the 2008 Texas primary Vs caucus results and you will see that
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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2022, 11:12:18 PM »

Dunno why the Dems don’t just jettison Iowa completely since that state is long gone for them and serves no purpose. Similarly just swap South Carolina for Georgia if you care about a) rewarding states loyal to you while b) still representing black interests. Or Maryland for South Carolina.

It’s not about how a state votes in a general but the primary voters in a state . Iowa voters pretty much represent the white liberal wing of the party
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