UK General Discussion: 2019. Blackadder goes Brexit.

[OSR stands with Israel]

I know posters on here hate my opinion but I think I have been validated by this entire process. A presidential system is far better than a parliamentary one . A President would not have been handcuffed by parliament throughout negotiations and trash laws like the Benn act would never have been signed into law without a 2/3 vote.

The only thing that has been validated by this entire process is the principle of checks & balances. And the only thing that's trash about the Benn Act (the sole purpose of which has been to prevent a no-deal exit) is your opinion about it.

If their really was a firm threat of No-Deal Brexit, I can bet you the UK gets a much better deal from the EU then they will ever get .

As much as BoJo has already made it, the threat of a no-deal Brexit would've been infinitely worse had Parliament not been there to take it off the table.

Well yeah it was immensely idiotic to take no deal off the table. It was their best bargaining chip

"Please Mr. EU, give me the deal to end all deals! Or else I'll be forced to shoot myself in the head!"

Quite the bargaining chip indeed.

Removing leverage is a terrible way to negotiate

People who don't know any better make the analogy of meeting with a real estate agent offering a deal on a house, but retaining the ultimate resort of walking out without buying the house, i.e. no deal. Brexit isn't like that. No-deal isn't leverage because it's not a case of walking away saying "Oh well, I won't buy that house then." This is a case of going to buy the house, & if you don't, your old house is demolished & you end up on the street.

No-deal isn't leverage, & it never was. It isn't leverage when they know that no-deal would do massive harm to the British economy & only small harm to the EU's. And not only would it harm the UK more than the EU, but the negotiating tactic of "We're willing to leave without a deal" has been tried 3 times now, & all 3 times, the UK has bottled it. The EU called the UK's bluff three times & won, so what, should they go for best of 7 now?

The only way using leverage works is if your serious about using it and since the UK wasn’t then it’s pretty obvious the EU wouldn’t fall for that since it’s obvious that it is a bluff .

[OSR stands with Israel]

I know posters on here hate my opinion but I think I have been validated by this entire process. A presidential system is far better than a parliamentary one . A President would not have been handcuffed by parliament throughout negotiations and trash laws like the Benn act would never have been signed into law without a 2/3 vote.

The only thing that has been validated by this entire process is the principle of checks & balances. And the only thing that's trash about the Benn Act (the sole purpose of which has been to prevent a no-deal exit) is your opinion about it.

If their really was a firm threat of No-Deal Brexit, I can bet you the UK gets a much better deal from the EU then they will ever get .

As much as BoJo has already made it, the threat of a no-deal Brexit would've been infinitely worse had Parliament not been there to take it off the table.

Well yeah it was immensely idiotic to take no deal off the table. It was their best bargaining chip

"Please Mr. EU, give me the deal to end all deals! Or else I'll be forced to shoot myself in the head!"

Quite the bargaining chip indeed.

Removing leverage is a terrible way to negotiate

People who don't know any better make the analogy of meeting with a real estate agent offering a deal on a house, but retaining the ultimate resort of walking out without buying the house, i.e. no deal. Brexit isn't like that. No-deal isn't leverage because it's not a case of walking away saying "Oh well, I won't buy that house then." This is a case of going to buy the house, & if you don't, your old house is demolished & you end up on the street.

No-deal isn't leverage, & it never was. It isn't leverage when they know that no-deal would do massive harm to the British economy & only small harm to the EU's. And not only would it harm the UK more than the EU, but the negotiating tactic of "We're willing to leave without a deal" has been tried 3 times now, & all 3 times, the UK has bottled it. The EU called the UK's bluff three times & won, so what, should they go for best of 7 now?

The only way using leverage works is if your serious about using it and since the UK wasn’t then it’s pretty obvious the EU wouldn’t fall for that bluff .

Well yes, of course the UK wasn't serious about leaving without a deal. The point is that no country in their right mind would be.

Which of course made no deal much more likely .

[OSR stands with Israel]

I know posters on here hate my opinion but I think I have been validated by this entire process. A presidential system is far better than a parliamentary one . A President would not have been handcuffed by parliament throughout negotiations and trash laws like the Benn act would never have been signed into law without a 2/3 vote.

The only thing that has been validated by this entire process is the principle of checks & balances. And the only thing that's trash about the Benn Act (the sole purpose of which has been to prevent a no-deal exit) is your opinion about it.

If their really was a firm threat of No-Deal Brexit, I can bet you the UK gets a much better deal from the EU then they will ever get .

As much as BoJo has already made it, the threat of a no-deal Brexit would've been infinitely worse had Parliament not been there to take it off the table.

Well yeah it was immensely idiotic to take no deal off the table. It was their best bargaining chip

"Please Mr. EU, give me the deal to end all deals! Or else I'll be forced to shoot myself in the head!"

Quite the bargaining chip indeed.

Removing leverage is a terrible way to negotiate

People who don't know any better make the analogy of meeting with a real estate agent offering a deal on a house, but retaining the ultimate resort of walking out without buying the house, i.e. no deal. Brexit isn't like that. No-deal isn't leverage because it's not a case of walking away saying "Oh well, I won't buy that house then." This is a case of going to buy the house, & if you don't, your old house is demolished & you end up on the street.

No-deal isn't leverage, & it never was. It isn't leverage when they know that no-deal would do massive harm to the British economy & only small harm to the EU's. And not only would it harm the UK more than the EU, but the negotiating tactic of "We're willing to leave without a deal" has been tried 3 times now, & all 3 times, the UK has bottled it. The EU called the UK's bluff three times & won, so what, should they go for best of 7 now?

The only way using leverage works is if your serious about using it and since the UK wasn’t then it’s pretty obvious the EU wouldn’t fall for that since it’s obvious that it is a bluff .

Leverage is only useful if it is actually...you know...leverage.  The threat of a no deal brexit wouldn't give the UK any leverage even if everyone believed they were 100% ready and willing to follow through.

The EU would get hurt badly by the UK leaving without a deal to so then they would have an incentive to negotiate fairly

[OSR stands with Israel]

I hope the EU rejects any extension so this bill then will pass.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Lets hope the Tories get a majority, then they can push through Brexit

[OSR stands with Israel]

LibDems refusing to compromise on the date, apparently.

Whats the big deal between Holding an election Dec 9th vs holding it on Dec 10th

[OSR stands with Israel]

So BoJo is going to lose every battle but win the war. Congrats, everyone. Really played things well.

And yes, all the "opposition" parties failed their constituent, though none more egregiously and opportunistically than the LibDems.

Simple the voters agree with Boris more than they do with the opposition party