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« on: March 19, 2019, 12:09:38 PM »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/administration/434533-warren-harris-gillibrand-back-efforts-to-add-justices-to-supreme%3famp


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« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2019, 12:34:28 PM »

It seems like most of the Democratic candidates are trying very hard to push us never trumpers away and into the Trump camp .

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« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2019, 12:46:37 PM »

It seems like most of the Democratic candidates are trying very hard to push us never trumpers away and into the Trump camp.
I hope you'll be in the Trump camp honestly, because it would mean that the Democrats have nominated the right candidate. (no offence, just an observation)

If Biden is the Dem nominee I would vote for him
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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2019, 12:53:20 PM »



It was bad but packing the court would mean the court would basically cease to even exist as that means every president will pack it
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« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2019, 02:49:18 PM »



It was bad but packing the court would mean the court would basically cease to even exist as that means every president will pack it

Who cares....the GOP has been tearing up the norms of American politics since the 80s and they've received no rebuke from the voters. They just keep getting rewarded for it with an ever expanding majority.

I dont see any reason why we have to keep going on with this charade of bipartisanship in which one party does whatever it wants and the other party apparently isnt allowed to do anything otherwise "they'll ruin the whole system."


This isnt about bipartisanship , this is about not destroying the court forever as every president then will just pack the court . 
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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2019, 12:29:58 PM »

These were FDR's majorities in both houses when he tried


House:

Democrats: 334
Republicans: 88

Senate:

Democrats: 74
Republicans 17


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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2019, 12:53:18 PM »

These were FDR's majorities in both houses when he tried


House:

Democrats: 334
Republicans: 88

Senate:

Democrats: 74
Republicans 17




Again, this is misrepresents the actual circumstances.  A large block of those Congressional Democrats were pro-segregationists conservatives from the South (and Congressional leadership in particular was overwhelmingly from the South) who were opposed to expanding judicial authority lest it threaten Jim Crow.  A modern Democratic president wouldn't have the numbers you cite, but the Congress he or she would be working with would be infinitely more unified ideologically.

Even then , Liberals still had a clear majority in both houses of Congress. It wasnt until after the 1938 midterms that the Conservative Coalition was able to take control
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« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2019, 02:01:06 PM »

These were FDR's majorities in both houses when he tried


House:

Democrats: 334
Republicans: 88

Senate:

Democrats: 74
Republicans 17




Again, this is misrepresents the actual circumstances.  A large block of those Congressional Democrats were pro-segregationists conservatives from the South (and Congressional leadership in particular was overwhelmingly from the South) who were opposed to expanding judicial authority lest it threaten Jim Crow.  A modern Democratic president wouldn't have the numbers you cite, but the Congress he or she would be working with would be infinitely more unified ideologically.

Even then , Liberals still had a clear majority in both houses of Congress. It wasnt until after the 1938 midterms that the Conservative Coalition was able to take control

I gotta keep pushing back on this.  Roosevelt spent 1938 openly campaigning against members of his own party because they were already kneecapping his agenda.  Even at the height of New Deal liberalism, Congressional leaders were always very careful to place limits on federal power, to protect "states' rights" to segregate, and to exclude black people from federal assistance whenever possible.  That's why so many of those New Deal programs only passed with clear sunset provisions, why universal health care and UBI were nonstarters, and why Social Security initially excluded service workers and agricultural workers.  The running theme is that Congressional Democrats during FDR's presidency were willing to support liberal initiatives up to the point that those acts might threaten the racist status quo.  And as subsequent decades would prove, they were right to fear that a more liberal Supreme Court would undermine institutional segregation.

FDR's agenda really didnt start to unravel until the court packing attempt and the 1937 recession.  Until then he had basically rammed through almost everything he wanted
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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2019, 05:27:31 PM »

If they become President and they do try to pack the court , I would cheer on the GOP to not only totally obstruct them but do it at unprecedented levels too and. I would even favor if the GOP shut down the government, in that case, to stop it .


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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2019, 05:31:57 PM »

If they become President and they do try to pack the court , I would cheer on the GOP to not only totally obstruct them but do it at unprecedented levels too and. I would even favor if the GOP shut down the government, in that case, to stop it .



So you support what the GOP did to Obama and will certainly do to the next democratic president anyway.

No cause Obama didn't try to pack the court , but if the next Dem President did then not only would I support doing to them what the GOP did to Obama but at least twice as hard as well
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« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2019, 05:33:12 PM »

If they try to nominate Garland , I would cheer on the GOP to not only totally obstruct them but do it at unprecedented levels too and. I would even favor if the GOP shut down the government, in that case, to stop it .

If they try to block Kavanaugh , I would cheer on the GOP to not only totally obstruct them but do it at unprecedented levels too and. I would even favor if the GOP shut down the government, in that case, to stop it .

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« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2019, 05:41:17 PM »

If they become President and they do try to pack the court , I would cheer on the GOP to not only totally obstruct them but do it at unprecedented levels too and. I would even favor if the GOP shut down the government, in that case, to stop it .



So you support what the GOP did to Obama and will certainly do to the next democratic president anyway.

No cause Obama didn't try to pack the court , but if the next Dem President did then not only would I support doing to them what the GOP did to Obama but at least twice as hard as well
You and your fellow moderate heroes never made a peep when the GOP tried to ruin Obama's life.


I opposed the 2013 Gov Shutdown, and I believe I said many things against what the GOP did to Obama , and some of them I believe on this forum. You can search my post history from late 2014-2016 if you would like.


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