John Dingell: Abolish the Senate

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There is no way you could get 3/4 of the stated to agree to diminish the power of the senate .


Thanks to the constitution, the senate will never be abolished or even have its power reduced

[OSR stands with Israel]

There is no way you could get 3/4 of the stated to agree to diminish the power of the senate .


Thanks to the constitution, the senate will never be abolished or even have its power reduced

You admit a couple hundred (or thousand, or however many need be) new states, with each new state consisting of 1 block in Los Angeles, or with each new state consisting of only the homes of carefully selected activists who have pledged to support the abolition of the Senate.

Then you can get 3/4 of the states to agree to it, no problem.

LMAO they couldn't break up CA into 3 states, let alone trying to break it up in hundreds. Also that would never happen because that would destroy completely the Governability of those Areas.

[OSR stands with Israel]

There is no way you could get 3/4 of the stated to agree to diminish the power of the senate .


Thanks to the constitution, the senate will never be abolished or even have its power reduced

You admit a couple hundred (or thousand, or however many need be) new states, with each new state consisting of 1 block in Los Angeles, or with each new state consisting of only the homes of carefully selected activists who have pledged to support the abolition of the Senate.

Then you can get 3/4 of the states to agree to it, no problem.

LMAO they couldn't break up CA into 3 states, let alone trying to break it up in hundreds. Also that would never happen because that would destroy completely the Governability of those Areas.

They can be states for a week or so, pass the amendments to fix the deep rooted structural problems with American government, and then can be re-incorporated back into California. So it really will have no effect on governability.

LOL Thats not even close to how things work. For the state to be broken up they would have to vote on a ballot initiative and then I believe the US Congress has to approve it as well.


Then to reincorporate the state they have to vote to pass another ballot initiative and each and every one of those new 100 hundred states have to approve the initiative(I believe even when breaking up each new proposed state has to approve it as well)

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LOL Thats not even close to how things work. For the state to be broken up they would have to vote on a ballot initiative and then I believe the US Congress has to approve it as well.

Obviously Congress needs to approve it - you really want to have a Trifecta when doing this. As for any possible issues regarding ballot initiatives in CA, I don't think you are right that that is necessary, but even supposing you are correct, it is pretty much irrelevant because you can just do it in Boston or wherever else instead.

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Even supposing you are right, that there are problems with re-incorporating the temporary states back into California, that is entirely irrelevant because you can just pass another amendment to make whatever problem there is go away. For example, an amendment can be passed saying "The states of ___insert-list-here____ shall be automatically re-incorporated back into Massachusetts on the date of ___insert-date-here___."

In the end, the only way any of these things are actually insurmountable problems is if all you want to do is just close your eyes and cover your ears.

A court blocked an attempt to break CA up into 3 states , what makes you think they wouldn’t to breaking it up into several hundreds

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https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv


There is no way you could use this amendment to say the present allocation of the 14th amendment is unconstitutional