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« on: July 11, 2018, 08:37:00 PM »
« edited: July 11, 2018, 08:41:50 PM by Old School Republican »

Yes I definitely agree

And I would go a step further:

I would say Reagan was the best G20  leader in the past 58 years as well.
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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2018, 08:59:07 PM »

He definitely has been the most effective president since at least Truman
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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2018, 01:52:18 AM »

He definitely has been the most effective president since at least Truman

lol..you cant be serious. Reagan more effective than LBJ?

Reagan did nothing but pass a crap tax cut bill that wasn't necessary


Vietnam was a total disaster and the shape of the country was far worse in 1968 than it was in 1988
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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2018, 02:50:40 AM »

He definitely has been the most effective president since at least Truman

lol..you cant be serious. Reagan more effective than LBJ?

Reagan did nothing but pass a crap tax cut bill that wasn't necessary


Reagan got way more passed than just taxes but lol at the fact that tax cuts weren't necessary.


The Economic Crises of the 1970s was caused by a Supply Shock and your answer to that is to continue the road of Keynesian Economics(Which said that both High Inflation and High Unemployment were impossible)
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« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2018, 10:53:25 AM »

Thankfully even usually liberal leaning historians rank Reagan anywhere from 8th all time to 12th all time .


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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2018, 11:06:03 AM »

Thankfully even usually liberal leaning historians rank Reagan anywhere from 8th all time to 12th all time .




They're not liberal.


They are Center-Left
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2018, 12:51:37 PM »

He definitely has been the most effective president since at least Truman

Reagan set in motion the policies that have resulted in an unprecedented shift of wealth upward to the top 1% of our society.  This is really not debatable, and I certainly don't believe it's a good thing. 

Reagan's FOREIGN policy was successful; his DOMESTIC policies set us on a path to dismantle our middle class.

Even on the Foreign Policy front, he wasn't that good. The Summit Meetings he had with Gorbachev and the resulting INF Treaty were his only successes. People forget he brought the Cold War to Dangerous Highs in his First Term, there was Iran Contra, and there was also his Benghazi in Lebanon. I'm torn on Grenada.

Not really his foreign policy in his first term was very similar to Ike's Foreign Policy
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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2018, 12:56:33 PM »

He definitely has been the most effective president since at least Truman

Reagan set in motion the policies that have resulted in an unprecedented shift of wealth upward to the top 1% of our society.  This is really not debatable, and I certainly don't believe it's a good thing.  

Reagan's FOREIGN policy was successful; his DOMESTIC policies set us on a path to dismantle our middle class.

Even on the Foreign Policy front, he wasn't that good. The Summit Meetings he had with Gorbachev and the resulting INF Treaty were his only successes. People forget he brought the Cold War to Dangerous Highs in his First Term, there was Iran Contra, and there was also his Benghazi in Lebanon. I'm torn on Grenada.

Not really his foreign policy in his first term was very similar to Ike's Foreign Policy
What? That's preposterous.

Also, Reagan nearly brought on the end of the world in 1983 with his almost paranoid anti-Soviet rhetoric.

No he did not , and IKE was far more Hawkish than people think he was.


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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2018, 01:04:24 PM »

He definitely has been the most effective president since at least Truman

Reagan set in motion the policies that have resulted in an unprecedented shift of wealth upward to the top 1% of our society.  This is really not debatable, and I certainly don't believe it's a good thing.  

Reagan's FOREIGN policy was successful; his DOMESTIC policies set us on a path to dismantle our middle class.

Even on the Foreign Policy front, he wasn't that good. The Summit Meetings he had with Gorbachev and the resulting INF Treaty were his only successes. People forget he brought the Cold War to Dangerous Highs in his First Term, there was Iran Contra, and there was also his Benghazi in Lebanon. I'm torn on Grenada.

Not really his foreign policy in his first term was very similar to Ike's Foreign Policy
What? That's preposterous.

Also, Reagan nearly brought on the end of the world in 1983 with his almost paranoid anti-Soviet rhetoric.

No he did not , and IKE was far more Hawkish than people think he was.
YES. HE. DID: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/in-1983-war-scare-soviet-leadership-feared-nuclear-surprise-attack-by-us/2015/10/24/15a289b4-7904-11e5-a958-d889faf561dc_story.html

Both sides feared an attack by each other throughout the Cold War and the Cold War was on the verge of going hot many times including during the 1950s.





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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2018, 01:16:04 PM »

He definitely has been the most effective president since at least Truman

Reagan set in motion the policies that have resulted in an unprecedented shift of wealth upward to the top 1% of our society.  This is really not debatable, and I certainly don't believe it's a good thing.  

Reagan's FOREIGN policy was successful; his DOMESTIC policies set us on a path to dismantle our middle class.

Even on the Foreign Policy front, he wasn't that good. The Summit Meetings he had with Gorbachev and the resulting INF Treaty were his only successes. People forget he brought the Cold War to Dangerous Highs in his First Term, there was Iran Contra, and there was also his Benghazi in Lebanon. I'm torn on Grenada.

Not really his foreign policy in his first term was very similar to Ike's Foreign Policy
What? That's preposterous.

Also, Reagan nearly brought on the end of the world in 1983 with his almost paranoid anti-Soviet rhetoric.

No he did not , and IKE was far more Hawkish than people think he was.
YES. HE. DID: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/in-1983-war-scare-soviet-leadership-feared-nuclear-surprise-attack-by-us/2015/10/24/15a289b4-7904-11e5-a958-d889faf561dc_story.html

Both sides feared an attack by each other throughout the Cold War and the Cold War was on the verge of going hot many times including during the 1950s.
LOL OK. If that's your excuse for Reagan's erratic rhetoric then I rest my case.

SMH.


Its not an excuse , and Reagan going on the offensive was necessary to win the Cold War.


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« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2018, 11:17:30 PM »

The GOP was more dominated by bush in his first term than Trump so now .


Many Republicans then mentioned they are like Dubya first before saying they were like Reagan



Also Mondale The shape of the nation was much much better in 1988 or even 1992 than it was in 1980
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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2018, 02:26:46 AM »


Also Mondale The shape of the nation was much much better in 1988 or even 1992 than it was in 1980

Yeah but that had very little to do with Reagan. The economy would of been fine without his tax cuts. Clinton had better job creation than Reagan despite raising taxes. The whole tax cuts=economic boom mantra just needs to die already and that whole myth goes back to Reagan and it's given us $20 trillion in debt


Reagan also inherited a far worse mess while Clinton inherited a growing economy.

A double-digit recession(Which was just beginning when he took office) plus double-digit inflation and already high unemployment is far far worse than what Clinton faced and once Reagan's policies took affect the economy skyrocketed up(And other than a minor recession in 1990-91 stayed that way until early 2001).



Clinton also did cut the capital gains rate
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« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2018, 02:45:03 PM »

My Ranking of Presidents since WW2


1-3. Truman/IKE/Reagan (Pretty close to Tied)
4.  HW Bush
5. Clinton
6. JFK
7. Nixon
8. Ford
9. Obama
10. LBJ
11. W Bush
12. Carter


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