Conservatives only, what the bigger evil: Hard Core Socialists or SJW

[OSR stands with Israel]

This is very tough as both are bad but currently i say hard core socialists are worse .

[OSR stands with Israel]

The three pillars of modern Anglo-Saxon conservatism are God, King (i.e. traditions) and Empire (i.e. country). Conservatism is not an ideology, and it is certainly mot a "protest movement".

What your describing is European culture and conservativism  not American culture,as American culture respects freedom more . The 3 pillars of American conservativism is : personal freedom , free market economics and limited government .

[OSR stands with Israel]

The three pillars of modern Anglo-Saxon conservatism are God, King (i.e. traditions) and Empire (i.e. country). Conservatism is not an ideology, and it is certainly mot a "protest movement".

What your describing is European culture and conservativism  not American culture,as American culture respects freedom more . The 3 pillars of American conservativism is : personal freedom , free market economics and limited government .

Beep boop

Since you can't come up with an actual response thanks for conceding I am right and you are wrong

[OSR stands with Israel]

Yeah, but liberty - in its many uses and interpretations - is the most important one by far.  Liberty for private farmers from the slave power.  Liberty for private business from the restraints of bureaucratic regulations.  Liberty for the taxpayer against a wasteful and incompetent government's taxes.  And, yes, liberty for the devoutly religious from an increasingly secularized world.

None of these are examples of liberty.

Ok define liberty then , and explain why those aren't examples of liberty

[OSR stands with Israel]

Yeah, but liberty - in its many uses and interpretations - is the most important one by far.  Liberty for private farmers from the slave power.  Liberty for private business from the restraints of bureaucratic regulations.  Liberty for the taxpayer against a wasteful and incompetent government's taxes.  And, yes, liberty for the devoutly religious from an increasingly secularized world.

None of these are examples of liberty.

Ok define liberty then , and explain why those aren't examples of liberty

Liberty is more about constitutional rights, not avoiding taxes.

Goverment that is big enough to take away people economic freedom is big enough to take away your constitutional rights as well .  The same is true the other way around as well .

They have already done that they used the commerce clause as a justification to start the war on drugs and violate the 10th amendment and many other constitutional rights .


You can not claim to be someone who cares about liberty if you only care about Economic Freedom or personal . You have to be in favor of both as they are interlated as without constitutional rights we have no economic rights and same could be true the other way around as well as once the goverment violates one of your rights they can violate even more .

[OSR stands with Israel]

Given that no socialist country with more then 15 million people has ever had the amount of personal freedom near or at the same level as it is in the United States proves my point .


This is why I dislike hard core socialists more then SJW

[OSR stands with Israel]

Given that no socialist country with more then 15 million people has ever had the amount of personal freedom near or at the same level as it is in the United States proves my point .


This is why I dislike hard core socialists more then SJW

Maybe we can have a debate instead of personal attacks, my dude.

Ok sorry about that  .My point wasn't that economic liberty is more important then personal liberty. I said a goverment big enough to heavily tax you ( more then 45 percent ) , over regulate your personals economic decisions is big enough to censor speech , violate your  4th and 5th  amendment, trample over states 10th amendment rights and many others.

An example of this is the commerce clause which was used in  each decade from the 1930s to regulate the economy . Then by the mid 1960s it got so out of hand they were able to use that same authority to implement  the war in drugs ( which tramples over states right to make its own laws , justify seizing personal assets without convicting someone of a crime ) .

[OSR stands with Israel]

Given that no socialist country with more then 15 million people has ever had the amount of personal freedom near or at the same level as it is in the United States proves my point .


This is why I dislike hard core socialists more then SJW

Maybe we can have a debate instead of personal attacks, my dude.

Ok sorry about that  .My point wasn't that economic liberty is more important then personal liberty. I said a goverment big enough to heavily tax you ( more then 45 percent ) , over regulate your personals economic decisions is big enough to censor speech , violate your  4th and 5th  amendment, trample over states 10th amendment rights and many others.

An example of this is the commerce clause which was used in  each decade from the 1930s to regulate the economy . Then by the mid 1960s it got so out of hand they were able to use that same authority to implement  the war in drugs ( which tramples over states right to make its own laws , justify seizing personal assets without convicting someone of a crime ) .

Before we start, Portland took that mean L against the Warriors. Ouch.

My response would be that the commerce clause was also used to end child labor and regulate securities, which helped overall freedom for most people. Workers and consumers benefited. The problem isn't the use of the power, its the justification for using it.

I agree those are good reasons to use it , I was just saying in relation to the topic hard core socialism (which those are not ) will cause people to lose their personal freedoms as expanding government to the levels they want to won't end well.

What I say to you is what I say to many republicans as well but in a different way , I just frame it as a goverment big enough to wage a war on drugs (like it currently is doing ) and massively expand the surveillance state is big enough to implement hard core socialism .