The Next DNC Chair: TOM PEREZ WINS, makes Ellison deputy chair

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Great, encouraging sign for Jews, the single group that trended most Democratic in the 2016 election. It would be truly shameful if Ellison won this, turning the Democratic Party into the next UK Labour where anti-Jewish sentiments are actively being promoted by the leadership. Just what we need in these times of uncertainty. Of course, an anti-Jewish turn in the Democratic Party was to be expected given the developments on college campuses, but if Hillary Clinton had been elected, the process could at least have been slowed down.

Both are deplorable, but I'd prefer Bannon over Ellison and it's not even close.

True than he has the ultimate sin, being Muslim.

No the ultimate sin is he is a socialist  .

[OSR stands with Israel]

Aaaaaaaaaand back to being R. Fck Ellison.

putting aside the actual argument for a second - weren't you perfectly fine with supporting the "lesser evil" before…?

He supported Hillary

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With this, I remain a believer in the concept of the Jewish, Israeli state, but it should've been socialist, actual egalitarian socialism (mapam), and Israel wouldn't be as such segregated and discriminatory to the Palestinian People.

(Ignoring the normal, ugly, Israel vs Palestinians arguments in this thread)

I understand your point of view as a Socialist, but Mapam was at times a low point for Israeli democracy (though the current government is trying really hard to compete). Their almost absolute power harmed the freedom of speech and created a nest of corruption and discrimination towards Jewish immigrants from Muslim countries. In the end, their slight authoritainism sewed the seeds of some characteristics of current Israeli society that I dislike, like the sanctifying of the army and anything related to it, the corrupt primaries in the major parties, that are controlled by special interest groups, and some generally corrupt and disfunctional systems (like the Broadcasting Authority and the main labour unions).

They were the only one's that had Palestinian members, had a policy for co-existence, and didn't support the expulsion of Palestinian from their lands, causing the problems they had, a lot of which Mapai did or didn't support. I believe if Mapam had been elected, Israel and Palestine would've been a been a better place, though more soviet-orientated it would have been. I really don't understand how a party that only once got second place had absolute control

Oh, I thought you argued for Mapai, not Mapam. Sorry.
In that case, I'm of the opinion that it would've been even worse. It's a fact that the Arabic countries at the time weren't willing to allow Israel to exist, so while Mapam might have been more compassionate for the Palestinians, they would still have to fight for survival. And if they got close to the Soviets, they would probably lose, because the Soviets favoured the more numerous Arabic countries while America was willing to support Israel. Not gonna delve into who's right and who's wrong, but the US was absolutely vital for the survival of Israel in the October War.

If you had a socialist Israel, that allowed the support for the Palestinian people and had USSR support, would the Arab nations attacked it? Mapam were the only one fighting for a egalitarian, equal Israel, while other parties were fine in treating Arabs as treating second class citizens. Initially when there looked to be a socialist Isreal, Stalin was fine in supporting the establishment and supported such a state. I'm not supporting the USSR, and Stalin was of course horrific, but I believe Israel under socialism would be much more equal and accepting of Palestinian rights and would be a more peaceful religion, than it is now. That's unless a communist dictatorship is established, but I doubt that'd happen.

Um that did happen, and Isreal was socialist for some time and probably still is compared to America.