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« on: June 30, 2016, 04:34:28 PM »

Get rid of nearly all deductions in the federal income tax bracket and make these the rates

$0- $35,000: 0%
$35,000-$75,000: 8%
$75,000- $250,000: 16%
$250,000- $ 1,000,100: 24%
above $1,000,000 - 32%

For business owners , or board members in a corporation you can offer them up to 50% deduction in their taxes(the deduction majority of the time isnt that big) if they hire more people then they lay off , hire people in the United States,and give your employees good salaries.

On the other hand if you lay off more people then you hire, or outsource more jobs then jobs you bring back from overseas your tax rate can go up by 50%.
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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2016, 04:35:08 PM »

Massive Freedom Plan of course
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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2016, 05:46:36 PM »

For business owners , or board members in a corporation you can offer them up to 50% deduction in their taxes(the deduction majority of the time isnt that big) if they hire more people then they lay off , hire people in the United States,and give your employees good salaries.
How can you have corporations as separate entities when you tax its principals and officers based on the actions of the corporation?

You say that you want to "eliminate nearly all deductions", yet you're suggesting a massive deduction that has loopholes you could sail an oil tanker through. Not only is this massively open to abuse, but even if it functioned correctly, it would mean that taxpayers subsidize winners while further punishing losers. This is government interference in the free market in the worst possible sense.

Sorry, but I think this is an awful "idea".

how does that pick winners and loser, if you outsource and layoff jobs you deserve to be taxed more and this tax plan gives an incentive to hire more people which would stimulate the economy even more.

And FYI: you only get a 50% tax break if you double your workforce in that year, and clearly raise salaries for most workers. Most people will get like a 10% cut in taxes
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« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2016, 10:33:41 PM »

Get rid of nearly all deductions in the federal income tax bracket and make these the rates

$0- $35,000: 0%
$35,000-$75,000: 8%
$75,000- $250,000: 16%
$250,000- $ 1,000,100: 24%
above $1,000,000 - 32%

For business owners , or board members in a corporation you can offer them up to 50% deduction in their taxes(the deduction majority of the time isnt that big) if they hire more people then they lay off , hire people in the United States,and give your employees good salaries.

On the other hand if you lay off more people then you hire, or outsource more jobs then jobs you bring back from overseas your tax rate can go up by 50%.

Can you provide some more details? There really isn't enough information for me to make a judgment. Here are some questions I have.

1) Are the rates/income by household income, by person, or are they based on the current US system?

2) Are these the corporate tax rates as well?

3) How are dividends, capital gains, and self-employed sole proprietor income?

4) What deductions would you keep?

The rates are by house hold income
No buisness owners share of the company counts as their income and are charged on that
Capital gains taxes  and dividends tax stay the same
I would just keep the college , housing , medical expense deduction and This new deduction
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« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2016, 10:36:54 PM »

Also, Santander's right about the employment incentive. This sort of plan would be nasty in an economic downturn and would probably exacerbate recessions.

e.g. Company X is profitable but has a lot of money tied up in capital. A recession hits, and while they are still making some profit, they have to lay off some people to remain solvent. Except now they have to come up with an extra $10 million in income taxes during a credit crunch, potentially endangering the company.


You could put in the law during recesssions you can make the penalty less strict and make the incentive to hire people even more
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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2016, 04:10:18 PM »

This is beyond horrid, and punishes the non-business orientated and vulnerable people in society.

WHY lol if you make under 75,000 you pay an 8% tax, and business have every incentive to hire you at a good wage
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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2016, 05:21:14 PM »

This is beyond horrid, and punishes the non-business orientated and vulnerable people in society.

WHY lol if you make under 75,000 you pay an 8% tax, and business have every incentive to hire you at a good wage

Your plan gives tax cuts to literally everyone.

I don't have an economic model in front of me, but at first glance it looks like it falls into the left wing trap, of ignoring the fact that the rich simply cannot finance the welfare state on their own. The middle must also contribute.

I'm not sure if that was your intention for the plan. Personally, I avoid getting into specific numbers for that reason. Most people don't have the information to create good tax plans, so they're better discussing deduction, loopholes and general principals.

who said the welfare state would still be as large as today. There would be a lot less spending for it and the military as well.
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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2016, 10:34:17 PM »

This is beyond horrid, and punishes the non-business orientated and vulnerable people in society.

WHY lol if you make under 75,000 you pay an 8% tax, and business have every incentive to hire you at a good wage

Your plan gives tax cuts to literally everyone.

I don't have an economic model in front of me, but at first glance it looks like it falls into the left wing trap, of ignoring the fact that the rich simply cannot finance the welfare state on their own. The middle must also contribute.

I'm not sure if that was your intention for the plan. Personally, I avoid getting into specific numbers for that reason. Most people don't have the information to create good tax plans, so they're better discussing deduction, loopholes and general principals.

who said the welfare state would still be as large as today. There would be a lot less spending for it and the military as well.

Which is exactly why my point stands.

Instead there will be more people employed with higher wages , and they pay drastically lower taxes . Oh the horror about that
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