thread for the current pacific crisis

[Türkisblau]

Yes, as I interpret the Constitution:

1. The only time to appoint a new CJO is within 10 days of the June elections barring the office is vacant due to resignation/impeachment.
2. It is true Simfan "dismissed" ebowed within 10 days of the June elections (but Governors can't just "dismiss" the CJO), and he never appointed anyone else. Ebowed was never removed through the formal process.
3. Then it goes that ebowed was "automatically reappointed" because the governor "did nothing" ie. appoint a new CJO.

It would be easier for all involved if we just recognized ebowed as CJO so he could open up special elections to solve all this nonsense.

[Türkisblau]

Griffin, please at least get a cursory knowledge on how the Council operates if you want to pass judgments!

https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Rules_of_Order_of_the_Legislative_Council_(Pacific_Region)#Section_3._The_Speaker

[Türkisblau]

Yes, as I interpret the Constitution:

1. The only time to appoint a new CJO is within 10 days of the June elections barring the office is vacant due to resignation/impeachment.
2. It is true Simfan "dismissed" ebowed within 10 days of the June elections (but Governors can't just "dismiss" the CJO), and he never appointed anyone else. Ebowed was never removed through the formal process.
3. Then it goes that ebowed was "automatically reappointed" because the governor "did nothing" ie. appoint a new CJO.

It would be easier for all involved if we just recognized ebowed as CJO so he could open up special elections to solve all this nonsense.

Well, that's just an asinine assumption and stretches the interpretation way too far to even be considered; "the CJO that was dismissed gets automatically placed back into office if nothing is done within an arbitrary time-period as interpreted as me, and oh by the way, there's nothing in the Constitution about that"?

Read the section of the Constitution pertaining to the Justice, please. The time period is not arbitrary and is clearly set out. The Governor can not dismiss the Justice and automatic reappointment occurs if the Governor does not appoint another CJO within 10 days of the June elections.

Simfan illegally attempted to "dismiss" ebowed and never appointed anyone else. Thus, by the way the Constitution operates, ebowed was automatically reappointed CJO for another year long term.

[Türkisblau]

Griffin, please at least get a cursory knowledge on how the Council operates if you want to pass judgments!

https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Rules_of_Order_of_the_Legislative_Council_(Pacific_Region)#Section_3._The_Speaker

Fabulous! So that makes document doesn't define the duration of the term "session", and as best I can tell, we are still in the same session in which the current Speaker was elected based on the Governor's thread, "16th Pacific LegCo introduction and discussion thread". So why did a new election for Speaker need to be held?

According to common sense, sessions start every time there are new council elections of course. The fact that the same thread was used is an oversight and an overt mistake.

Again, if you read the Rules of Order, you would know that even if Classic didn't need to be elected Speaker again, he ceased being Speaker and actually lost his Council seat due to inactivity.

[Türkisblau]

Griffin, please at least get a cursory knowledge on how the Council operates if you want to pass judgments!

https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Rules_of_Order_of_the_Legislative_Council_(Pacific_Region)#Section_3._The_Speaker

Fabulous! So that makes document doesn't define the duration of the term "session", and as best I can tell, we are still in the same session in which the current Speaker was elected based on the Governor's thread, "16th Pacific LegCo introduction and discussion thread". So why did a new election for Speaker need to be held?

According to common sense, sessions start every time there are new council sessions of course. The fact that the same thread was used is an oversight and an overt mistake.

Again, if you read the Rules of Order, you would know that even if Classic didn't need to be elected Speaker again, he ceased being Speaker and actually lost his Council seat due to inactivity.

According to common sense, a refusal to renew the term of a CJO doesn't automatically result in the CJO being put back into office

According to the text of the Constitution, the current CJO is automatically reappointed to another year long term if another individual isn't appointed CJO.

[Türkisblau]

Griffin, please at least get a cursory knowledge on how the Council operates if you want to pass judgments!

https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Rules_of_Order_of_the_Legislative_Council_(Pacific_Region)#Section_3._The_Speaker

Fabulous! So that makes document doesn't define the duration of the term "session", and as best I can tell, we are still in the same session in which the current Speaker was elected based on the Governor's thread, "16th Pacific LegCo introduction and discussion thread". So why did a new election for Speaker need to be held?

According to common sense, sessions start every time there are new council sessions of course. The fact that the same thread was used is an oversight and an overt mistake.

Again, if you read the Rules of Order, you would know that even if Classic didn't need to be elected Speaker again, he ceased being Speaker and actually lost his Council seat due to inactivity.

According to common sense, a refusal to renew the term of a CJO doesn't automatically result in the CJO being put back into office

According to the text of the Constitution, the current CJO is automatically reappointed to another year long term if another individual isn't appointed CJO.

No, at least not any more than the current Speaker is still Speaker and can reassume his position by posting in the appropriate regional thread

Why do you show such a fundamental misunderstanding of the Pacific Constitution and Statute and find yourself such an authority on it?

BaconKing is well-versed in Pacific law as a former CJO and he says that there is a good argument for ebowed still being CJO, and the fact that there is no speaker.

[Türkisblau]

The Rules of Order state that if a Speaker is inactive for 3 days he loses his position and his council seat! If Classic was still Speaker this session he would have lost the Speakership and his council seat because he was inactive since the 21st!

Why are you being so dense? Are you and Classic Conservative in some sort of cahoots, but that can't be because even he recognizes ebowed is still CJO!

[Türkisblau]

It is beside the point, Classic Conservative was never made Speaker this session (this session being since the elections in August.)

[Türkisblau]

It is beside the point, Classic Conservative was never made Speaker this session (this session being since the elections in August.)

The session problem is none of the councils concern my friend the Governor opens the new council thread not the Speaker. I have no say in that part, I sent Sinfan a text telling him to swear in and open the council thread which he didn't.

Yes, that is the Governor's oversight and is one of the many reasons why Simfan should have been impeached long ago.

I find it astounding that we are trying to redefine what a "session" consitutes, though! You needed to be reelected Speaker after each council election, Classic.

[Türkisblau]

Thank God Ebowed is here to restore the rule of law.

[Türkisblau]

It is beside the point, Classic Conservative was never made Speaker this session (this session being since the elections in August.)

The session problem is none of the councils concern my friend the Governor opens the new council thread not the Speaker. I have no say in that part, I sent Sinfan a text telling him to swear in and open the council thread which he didn't.

Yes, that is the Governor's oversight and is one of the many reasons why Simfan should have been impeached long ago.

I find it astounding that we are trying to redefine what a "session" consitutes, though! You needed to be reelected Speaker after each council election, Classic.

Not "redefine" - define - which is rich coming from someone who's trying to apply a completely new twist on the replacement process of an appointed official!

Since the Pacific is still in the same council session as reinforced by the Governor's decision, Classic Conservative, I encourage you wholeheartedly to swear in as Governor and to ignore the people who did this just to get a laugh out of you.

The current Constitution that was supposed to be "fool-proof" is certainly riddled with oversights and issues, and that's excluding the ones purposefully added by BK & Oakvale to make the region malleable.

A new twist? This is a simple interpretation based on what is present in the Constitution.

Now what is completely dishonest is your new twist on what a "session" constitutes. We have not been in the same Council Session since April and all existing precedent states that a new council session occurs when a new council is elected - sessions have always lasted two months. To state otherwise is pure ignorance of what a session is in the Pacific legislature.

[Türkisblau]

I would like to notify Mr. Griffin and Mr. Classic Conservative that the latter was entirely inactive on the Regional Governments board between the period of August 19th and the 27th. Classic Conservative lost his Council seat and the Speakership then, if we were to assume he still held it at that point.

[Türkisblau]

I would like to notify Mr. Griffin and Mr. Classic Conservative that the latter was entirely inactive on the Regional Governments board between the period of August 19th and the 27th. Classic Conservative lost his Council seat and the Speakership then, if we were to assume he still held it at that point.

no

"no" does not mean anything Mr. Griffin. Councilor Classic Conservative lost the Speakership due to being inactive for 7 days and was never elected Speaker again. Sure, he was reelected Councilor but not Speaker.

Ebowed is bringing the Region back to regular order so I see no reason why we would have to bend the rules to fit what our seemingly very forceful President-elect wants!

[Türkisblau]

Classic Conservative, you are misinterpreting what I am saying. The plain fact is that you are still a Councilor but not a Speaker. You were reelected Councilor after you lost your council seat and the Speakership between the period of August 19th and 27th.

Ebowed is returning law and order and is running things in an objective and unbiased fashion, so I do not see what all the fuss is.

[Türkisblau]

Classic Conservative, you are misinterpreting what I am saying. The plain fact is that you are still a Councilor but not a Speaker. You were reelected Councilor after you lost your council seat and the Speakership between the period of August 19th and 27th.

Ebowed is returning law and order and is running things in an object and unbiased fashion, so I do not see what all the fuss is.

Ok, I think everyone's happy about this and we can just blame Simfan for this mess, since he didn't respect the Constitution.

Exactly. Simfan must be brought to justice for running the Pacific like his own personal fiefdom, disrespecting individual liberty and basic rights. Once we get our region back on track, we will be ready to join with the Midwest in an orderly fashion.

A grand new political age is approaching for the Pacific and the Midwest, gentlemen.