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The_Doctor
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« on: February 14, 2017, 10:25:06 PM »

CNN reporting that Trump campaign AND business "frequently" in contact with Russians during

election. Russians were boasting about their ability to contact and control Trump -- quote "they were claiming that they had special contact with Trump." Pamela Brown telling Don Lemon that BOTH Trump and Pres. Obama were briefed on the large, frequent number of contacts b/n Trump campaign and Trump business officials. "Intent" has not yet been determined but they are investigating possible coordination b/n Trump campaign and release of damaging info on Clinton.

This kind of stuff damages Trump hugely and saps him of political capital. More than that this continues to sap him of political legitimacy as President. The Trump Right may be right this won't lead to impeachment immediately but this all will probably greatly weaken the Trump Administration's ability to govern. This hardens the opposition and makes the swing voters leery. This kind of stuff coupled with the weak popular vote win is just going to reinforce for half the country that Trump is illegitimate.

Policy wise I can see Trump's achievements being more limited as a result of news like this. This stuff isn't going away and will become a huge part of Trump's legacy. And Republicans defending him nonstop should take that into account.
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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2017, 10:29:48 PM »
« Edited: February 14, 2017, 10:31:45 PM by TD »

Donald Trump will be President on January 19, 2021 barring his imminent death from fast food consumption. I've never seen people who are so out of touch with reality.

Well I agree, but would you expect any better from this forum? Trump could be ahead in all 50 states in October 2020 and people here would still predict a Democratic wave. It's just strange that they never really seem to learn from their mistakes in the past (2014, 2016). Even DailyKos isn't as overconfident. This is basically a cult.

They might have been wrong in 2014 but its not like Trump won a huge mandate and is extremely popular. There needs to be some acknowledgment that he's a weak president comparatively.

He has massive support in the Heartland and is deeply unpopular in minority and coastal areas. This pretty much puts him in a reverse Obama position, except he has much less credibility and political support. Continued coverage like this only weakens his government's legitimacy and support, which will lead to the failed president model.

The heartland support probably protects him from impeachment right now but doesn't protect him from being seen as illegitimate by half the country.
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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2017, 11:50:23 PM »
« Edited: February 14, 2017, 11:54:13 PM by TD »

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I'll admit I thought Trump would lose. My posts here guessed a generic Republican would win but not Trump. So bearing my view in mind to actually add value ...

1.) I doubt Missouri and Utah will go Democratic in 2020. I agree. It would take an economic crisis to shift Missouri and Utah is probably Republican until the Apocalypse. But this misses the point ...

Both sides see this as a football game to score points, absolutely, and are intensely focused on day to day points. My problem is that the larger context suggests that Trump's really weak and needs to gain support among some people who voted Hillary to govern effectively. On the flip side Democrats need to talk to Trump voters (especially people who liked Bernie) and retool their message instead of chasing every crisis. The bigger problem is definitely with Trump and the Republicans as they're the incumbent party but still.

Trump probably gets impeached for a variety of reasons in my opinion but I feel that's 2-3 years off and includes Trump's poor grasp of ethics and yes, Russia, and his extremely lackadaisical staff. Trump's failure to gain support among Clinton voters probably makes him highly vulnerable if his supporters become overwhelmed by the bad news and decide it's more than fake news. If we see him at -15% in Iowa or Kansas that would be one sign.

No, I don't find myself convinced this report does it. We knew since Manafort resigned that the Trump people were talking to Russia. There were public rumors about Nixon and North Vietnam and yet people re-elected him. It'll take a lot more.
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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2017, 11:56:35 PM »


Donald Trump will be President on January 19, 2021 barring his imminent death from fast food consumption. I've never seen people who are so out of touch with reality.

I think lack of exercise.

When you combine good food with sitting around in meetings all day, he is only going to gain weight, which is very dangerous when you are 70.

The average life expectancy is 78, so we will see Donald reach maybe the end of a second term if he is lucky.

86 is the US male life expectancy, I believe. Either way Trump has had access to world class health care since birth and he feeds off attention so I think he will survive all the way to the Senate convicting him, complete with increasingly angry tweets that veer into all caps.

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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2017, 11:26:41 AM »

Ryan now signaling the House is possibly behind codifying sanctions on Russia. He personally backs it and I think so does McConnell, which implies the GOP conferences in both chambers may have significant support behind the idea.

Good, they should do it, and override Trump's veto. They need to salvage the Republican Party's honor from this shameful episode.
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2017, 10:27:26 AM »


In this case, literally.
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