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parochial boy
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« on: July 13, 2020, 06:16:01 PM »
« edited: July 13, 2020, 06:25:28 PM by parochial boy »

Oh yeah, I’m going to be pedantic too but it’s an interesting map. The Western half of South Africa was never really stolen by the Bantu, it was still Khoisan when the Boers turned up, after which the Khoisan were eventually merged into the Coloured population (who are, for the most part, descended from the Khoisan rather than Bantu - a particularly woke thing to do in South Africa these days is to refer to coloured people as Khoisan) who are still the plurality across most of the Western and Northern capes. It’s only since the end of apartheid that they’ve started to have substantial populations of Bantu speakers.

And going with Tony’s points on the francs, there’s so many moving parts but I’m not sure you can say that Switzerland was really stolen by the Francs at all. It was the Burgondes and the Alemannics who moved in after the retreat of Rome, and even after taking it, the Francs did eventually lose it back to the Burgondes. The more logical split would be the Alemannics and Burgondes stealing it from the Helvetii or the gallo-romans.
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parochial boy
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Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,138


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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2020, 12:02:40 PM »

The Western half of South Africa was never really stolen by the Bantu, it was still Khoisan when the Boers turned up, after which the Khoisan were eventually merged into the Coloured population (who are, for the most part, descended from the Khoisan rather than Bantu - a particularly woke thing to do in South Africa these days is to refer to coloured people as Khoisan) who are still the plurality across most of the Western and Northern capes. It’s only since the end of apartheid that they’ve started to have substantial populations of Bantu speakers.

wut

I was under the impression that the Coloured are Afrikaans-speaking Protestant Christians. If so, they're as culturally Khoisan as your average Mexican is Aztec.


A couple more pedantic nitpicks-
58 most of former North Vietnam was never part of Champa, but it was under Chinese rule for a thousand years or so
61 should be "stolen from the Khmer Empire by Tai invaders"
62 could also be "stolen from Thailand by the French"
Coloured meant that you were mutiethnic, you could be indian-black, boer-black, general white-black.

Sort of... not really... In practice it wound up ass "not pale enough to be white, but not dark enough to be classified as black" which could be cruelly random at times. The vast majority of Coloured people are mostly descended from mixed Cape Dutch - Khoisan relations, with a big chunk of Malay/South East Asian indentured labourers in the case of the Muslim Cape Malay community. (although it's really quite a bit more complex, the people living in the Northern Cape who were classified as "coloured" during apartheid often have actually very little Boer ancestry; the "coloureds" of Natal were a mix of Griqua people - migrants from the Western Cape, but also mixed relations between White British settlers and the Zulu. But the Natal coloured population is comparatively very small)

They tend to object to being referred to as multiethnic as they see it as erasing their own culture and identity that they have built up over the last 400 odd years (actually several different cultural identities, as hinted at above). Which is entirely true, they have their own cuisine, dialect, cultural references and all the rest
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