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parochial boy
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« on: October 12, 2022, 06:50:53 AM »

Or could it be precisely the opposite in fact? Decades of Merkellian short-sightedness and complacency that led to an over-dependence on Russian gas and chronic underinvestment in it's own capacity?
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parochial boy
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Junior Chimp
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Political Matrix
E: -8.38, S: -6.78

« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2022, 07:20:27 AM »

Or could it be precisely the opposite in fact? Decades of Merkellian short-sightedness and complacency that led to an over-dependence on Russian gas and chronic underinvestment in it's own capacity?

I do not see how wind and solar could have helped alone.

It needs other electricity sources in order to function, so that's either coal, gas, or nuclear.

The greens ruled out nuclear and coal. What does that leave?

I hope you can see the ridiculousness of the German Greens, when even Greta is saying that they should not close down any nuclear plants lol



Which is great, but it remains the fact that the countries sliding into recession just happen to be ones with an unusually high level of gas dependence. Which in Germany's case are the result of long term bad policy making and underinvestment that you can't really blame on an environmental movement or political party that wasn't actually in power during this time. Or indeed, and energy transition that beyond the nuclear shut down, wasn't actually happening.

(and even here, an actually sufficient level solar and wind; plus nuclear, hydroelectric, gas imports from places that aren't Russia would all have contributed to reducing Germany's exposure. As would have all the other policies like sufficient investment its digital and physical infrastructure, in developing hydrogen power, in whatever. These are all the failings of decades of bad policy, of things that people have been calling bad policy for decades and that you can't just solve in 12 months like that)

It is not exactly a secret that Germany has spent the last two decades both kneecapping its own economy through deficit-aversion driven underinvestment and by putting all its eggs in the basket that was Russian Gas at a time where everyone knew that it had to both reduce carbon emissions and that its chief energy supplier was being led by an increasingly volatile dictator. So to merely turn around now and say "oh this is the fault of the energy transition" just isn't honest. It's an attempt to hide from what the real causes have been.
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parochial boy
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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2022, 08:49:05 AM »

China wants to buy a 35% stake in the Port of Hamburg. Scholz apparently having learnt nothing from recent experiences of handing your critical infrastructure over to authoritarian regimes is apparently happy to wave this through.

I mean, how stupid can you be?
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parochial boy
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Political Matrix
E: -8.38, S: -6.78

« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2022, 10:12:53 AM »
« Edited: October 21, 2022, 10:19:57 AM by parochial boy »

China wants to buy a 35% stake in the Port of Hamburg. Scholz apparently having learnt nothing from recent experiences of handing your critical infrastructure over to authoritarian regimes is apparently happy to wave this through.

I mean, how stupid can you be?
There's a substantial difference between a gas pipeline that can be turned off easily by Russia compared to mere ownership off the port which can be easily seized with little illeffect in case of hostile moves.

For a start, here in Europe we have a little thing called the rule of law which makes just seizing things not actually that easy.

For a second, it's not even merely the case of an eventual Chinese invasion of Taiwan. Although even here... It's about having an authoritarian regime able to wield influence over your infrastructure - even at a time of no war - to its preferences. With consequential leverage over your own policy making and political or economic decisions you might make. For instance reluctance to use whatever methods to pressure China over its attitudes towards the Uighurs, or Taiwan; or to push you towards international trade routes that favour the Chinese; because they have a direct ability to both disrupt your own supply chains and are actively involved in the decision making processes.

All the more so in an already very trade dependent economy like Germany.
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