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parochial boy
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« on: December 08, 2017, 03:09:00 PM »
« edited: December 08, 2017, 03:19:28 PM by parochial boy »

I suspect this sort of referendum might not follow as predictable a pattern as other "Social issues" type stuff, as immigrant heavy big cities would have much higher anti-SSM votes than they might otherwise have; and even exurban or rural areas would probably not reject it as heavily as otherwise.

So basically

France:
Biggest Yes -  Paris Intramuros/Hauts-de-Seine/Yvelines, most of the big citiy municipalities and then the usual suspects like Brittany
Biggest No - Seine-Saint-Denis and other Banlieues, follwed by the Catholic

UK
Biggest Yes - parts of London, the University towns, Scotland
Biggest No - places like Bradford, Oldham, Blackburn...

Germany
Similar pattern to the above, but maybe an East-West divide too?

Switzerland
Something like the inverse of this, French "protestant" (ie secular) cantons and cities against Catholics and rural Germans
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parochial boy
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Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,141


Political Matrix
E: -8.38, S: -6.78

« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2017, 06:03:35 PM »

72% support in Switzerland apparently

Including 42% support among Muslims, which is actually... more that I would have expected?
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parochial boy
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Junior Chimp
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E: -8.38, S: -6.78

« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2017, 05:17:29 AM »

72% support in Switzerland apparently

Including 42% support among Muslims, which is actually... more that I would have expected?

Yet another proof that the lgbtq community shouldn't support completely unrestricted immigration from countries that don't share any of the West's liberal values.

Oh I don't know, when you consider that these people largely come from countries where support for gay marriage would be basically zero; and yet in Switzerland they are almost equally split, suggests they are integrating considerably better than certain people like to make out (I mean, Swiss Muslims are probably most re supportive of gay marriage than most Eastern European migrants are...)
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parochial boy
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Junior Chimp
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E: -8.38, S: -6.78

« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2017, 05:27:38 AM »
« Edited: December 22, 2017, 05:34:47 AM by parochial boy »

Aren't there relatively many Bosnian and Albanian Muslims in Switzerland? Probably more likely to be more secular and supportive of LGBT rights than Muslims from Northern Africa or the Middle East.

Yes, but the same is true of Austria. (And I was having a mildly patriotic moment Sad)

The other big community is Turkish, specifically Kurdish (I think Swiss Turks are one of the few Turkish migrant communities who vote against Erdogan)
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parochial boy
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E: -8.38, S: -6.78

« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2017, 08:47:20 AM »

Aren't there relatively many Bosnian and Albanian Muslims in Switzerland? Probably more likely to be more secular and supportive of LGBT rights than Muslims from Northern Africa or the Middle East.

That is what I was thinking, mind you there are many examples of Muslims from fairly conservative countries who support gay marriage.  London's current mayor Sadiq Khan voted in favour of gay marriage.  In the German Bundestag all Muslim members voted in favour of gay marriage and in France I believe some did and in the UK I believe most of its Muslim MPs voted for gay marriage.  People adopt to where they live, especially if they were born and raised there.  I've often found in general children of immigrants tend to have values more in line of the country they live in than where their parents came from.

This is variable, especially in the case of Muslim migrants whose children tend to veer off in either extreme (i.e. become a secular cultural Muslim or else become some sort of Salafi). The MPs in this case are, err, not hugely representative of the community

In Britain in particular, you'd probably have huge losses for SSM in Deobandi Pakistani as well as in Bengal communities, but probably more of a mixed results amongst Turks, Bosniaks and Kurds.

I remember some shock horror polling a couple of years ago, suggesting UK Muslims had rather conservative attitudes towards homosexuality, polygamy and the like.

But I wonder now if that sort of polling actually does weighting for the respondees origin, as that could very well be one of the most important demographic factors to consider.
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