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RINO Tom
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« on: July 05, 2017, 10:34:27 AM »

Given that this is basically shifting half the democratic party to the republicans in exchange for a few WWC voters, not good for Democrats.

And I'm being generous.

Hardly.
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RINO Tom
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« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2017, 02:56:03 PM »

Given that this is basically shifting half the democratic party to the republicans in exchange for a few WWC voters, not good for Democrats.

And I'm being generous.


With Dems being more socially conservative in the south wouldn't that take the issue if the table and they could possibly win those states . Also Dems would not lose New York and Illinois
Or California and Massachusetts

Mass would definitely still be dem , I think Cali would only be lean dem though cause of their immigration stance
Massachusetts would be lean Dem, probably. Winnable for republicans, but Democrats would probably be slightly favored. California would be solid R. Hispanics and Asians would not be democratic, and college educated whites would shift heavily republican.

Please explain why Hispanics would vote for the economically right wing party, especially since the HB1 visas primarly benefit Asians and Europeans, unless you think that Hispanics vote democratic because of social issues or some other nonsense.
The pro-immigration, socially centrist party is a lot closer to them than the nativist left.
No it really isn't.

Also why do Hispanics care about a program that for the most part, they don't benefit from. The reason they care about a pathway to citizenship is because they personally know or are related to many of those undocumented immigrants. That is (mostly) not the case for those on HB1 visas.

Also I'm pretty sure these democrats are not going to try and racialise the program and will attack the program on economic grounds, which hispanics and working class Asians will certainly not be bothered.

The democrats here would almost certainly be nativist.
Did the OP say that the democrats use nativists language in their campagins? No. And considering this Democratic Party will still comfortably be the party of Hispanics, I very much doubt that they will.
A socially left, protectionist is at the least going to do far worse.
Considering that this is how Obama basically campgained as in 2008, Hispanics seemed to be quite receptive to this campaign, and no a McCain who decided to campaign as his 2000 self, would not have prevented the swing of Hispanics to Obama.
Some of his early rhetoric in the democratic primaries was. In reality, he's clearly and strongly pro-immigration and free trade. The "democrats" in this are not.

I guess 90% of Congressional Democrats should be labeled "Democrats," as they voted HEAVILY against their own President on the TPA vote, while 90% of Republicans supported it.
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RINO Tom
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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2017, 04:48:03 PM »

Cool link, New Democrats don't support literally Republican economic policies, though.
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RINO Tom
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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2017, 04:57:56 PM »

Bill Clinton did all of that because he had a REPUBLICAN Congress that demanded all of it, and HUGE majorities of his own party voted against all of it, LOL.  Same with Obama and TPP, friend.
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