If it wasn't for 'Nam would LBJ be one the best Presidents in the 20th Century? (user search)
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Question: If it wasn't for 'Nam would LBJ be one the best Presidents in the 20th Century?
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Yes--- Top 3 or 4
 
#2
Yes--- Top 5 or 6
 
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Maybe---- but gets bumped off the top of the charts
 
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No--- Decent Pres but issues with social and economic policies
 
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No--- One of the worst Ever
 
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Author Topic: If it wasn't for 'Nam would LBJ be one the best Presidents in the 20th Century?  (Read 4390 times)
RINO Tom
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« on: June 13, 2017, 10:21:14 AM »
« edited: June 13, 2017, 06:24:22 PM by True Federalist »


Uh, who cares?  LOL.

Anyway, not at all.  He did two really great things - the CRA and the VRA - and it took HUGE majorities from Republicans in Congress to get it done.  He also spent a career watering down civil rights legislation for the Southern Democrats and then championing a weaker bill to play "good cop" in Washington, so I happen to think he's a total POS, but I'll try to just judge his Presidency here.  He'd be okay for those two achievements alone, but nowhere near "one of the best."  Vietnam just ensures that he doesn't even sniff the list.
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RINO Tom
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« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2017, 11:02:18 PM »

the CRA and the VRA - and it took HUGE majorities from Republicans in Congress to get it done.

Misleading. While every Democratic member outside the South voted for it, this is not true of Republicans. 24 Republicans outside the South voted against the bill in the House, and six of the seven Republican nays in the Senate were north of the Mason-Dixon line. Therefore, if we exclude the Southern Democrats the opposition came exclusively from Northern Republican. is it a coincidence that Gallup polling from the time showed a slight majority of registered Republicans opposed the CRA and they nominated a presidential candidate who voted nay?

I've always found that "stat" dumb.  The Democratic Party spent decades funneling millions into those Southern Democrats' reelections, gladly accepted their votes for leadership from them, eagerly worked with them on other policy initiatives and, despite historical revisionism, were hardly chomping at the bit to provoke the faction with civil rights legislation.  Because the region eventually switched preferences (30 years later, LOL), the Southern caucus of the Democratic Party gets to be shed away as some de facto third party, glorifying the "Northern liberals"?  These were Democrats.  They were respected and praised by and held prominent positions with the national party.
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RINO Tom
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2017, 03:09:06 PM »

The crazy thing is, until 1963 LBJ would have been castigated by far-left liberals of the jfern set as a Dixiecrat, Russell ally, sellout centrist in the pocket of the military-industrial complex, who stabbed African-Americans in the back with the toothless Civil Rights Act of 1957.

He still should be thought of as those things.
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