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RINO Tom
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« on: July 28, 2016, 09:59:15 AM »

Unless a person is blatantly tying their religion to his/her actions, I'm very weary of tying a terrible act being explained away by the guy's or gal's religion.  Especially dubious was the assertion that the Holocaust was perpetuated in the name of Christianity.  It would quite literally be more accurate (while still completely dubious) to say it was DEFEATED in the name of Christianity, LOL.  Again, neither are close to true, but the highest ranking and most iconic Nazis most certainly had serious contempt for Christianity.
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RINO Tom
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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2016, 10:58:30 AM »

The Nazis even went out of their way to kill Catholic priests, three million Catholic Poles, and Jehovah's Witnesses during the Holocaust.

And ISIS has never killed or tortured a Muslim.

ISIS is explicitly and proudly Islamist. Do they have additional political motives? Sure, but there isn't a scrap of evidence that the Nazis were motivated by Christianity in the slightest.

If Christians in Europe during the 1930s loved and respected Jews the holocaust wouldn't have happened.  You can spin it any way you want but all major world religions have darkness lurking within their ranks.

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How is that, by any stretch of the imagination, a coherent argument in favor of the Nazis being MOTIVATED by Christianity...?
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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2016, 11:47:01 AM »

The Nazis even went out of their way to kill Catholic priests, three million Catholic Poles, and Jehovah's Witnesses during the Holocaust.

And ISIS has never killed or tortured a Muslim.

ISIS is explicitly and proudly Islamist. Do they have additional political motives? Sure, but there isn't a scrap of evidence that the Nazis were motivated by Christianity in the slightest.

If Christians in Europe during the 1930s loved and respected Jews the holocaust wouldn't have happened.  You can spin it any way you want but all major world religions have darkness lurking within their ranks.

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How is that, by any stretch of the imagination, a coherent argument in favor of the Nazis being MOTIVATED by Christianity...?

I never said anything about being MOTIVATED by anything.  Is reading comprehension an issue?  Nazis sprung up and flourished in a Christian nation.  The bulk of their foot soldiers who carried out their atrocities were Christians.  Why are people in denial about this but believe "Islamic homophobia" killed 49 people in Florida?  Why is there always a double standard between white skin/black or brown skin?  Why the double standard between Christian/anything else?

I never said anything about the Orlando shooting being MOTIVATED by anything, much less "Islamic homophobia."  Is reading comprehension an issue?

The Nazis sprung up and flourished in a predominantly Christian nation, sure.  It was also fought by several Christian nations.  Pretty obvious to me that Christianity can't be tied to Nazism if it is not to be tied to the defeat of it, as well, because it's about as relevant to both.  When you then consider the Nazis disdain for believing in any power higher than the state, harsh treatment of church clergy and dabbling in Pagan nonsense, even insinuating that Christianity is more relevant to the Nazis than any other coincidental demographic trait that could be used to describe a majority of Germans in the 1930s (many of which applied also to most of the counties who fought against the Nazis) is just ridiculous.
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2016, 09:22:09 AM »

Anti-semitism had been bouncing around Europe since the middle ages. It had demonstrably Christian cultural/political origins. It didn't spawn Nazi rhetoric, but it gave them themes from which it could draw.

I would never debate that, but it's a far cry from ag's claim that Christianity was behind Nazism.
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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2016, 09:25:23 AM »


You are a denier that the majority of the people who fought and carried out orders on behalf of the Nazi regime were Christians.  Germany was a majority Christian country before WWII.  No one including you is denying that.  Germany is currently a majority Christian country.  No one including you is denying that.  Everyone except you also knows Germany was a majority Christian country between 1933-1945.  You are denying that.  What do you think happened?  As a part of the of the Marshall Plan the United States airdropped missionaries to reconvert Germans?  It's just so preposterous the ludicrous excuses people on this forum have for egregious behavior by Christians and yet when it comes to Muslims there is no shortage of unjustified broad condemnation.

If the very sons and daughters and grandchildren of these people are showing me photographic proof it happened why are you so hell bent on continuing to deny it?  What is your horse in this race?  You want me to call up my friends and tell them their family pictures are frauds because... what?  Some anonymous guy on the internet who has no first hand knowledge is sad?

The point is how is it relevant that it was majority Christian?  It's at least as relevant that France, Britain, the US and many other majority Christian nations rose up to fight Nazism.
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