Manchin and Sinema oppose any sort of filibuster carve out

[Mr. Smith]

Manchin I understand given he's from a deep Trump state. The goal of his job is to represent his people, who are gonna be skeptical of a lot of Dems agenda and frankly if he was voting just like any other liberal Dem taht would be concerning for the state of our democracy.

Sinema on the other hand represents swingy AZ, and several things she has held out from doing are widely popular in the state. Sinema's political journey is fascinating given she used to be very liberal and Green.

My main issue is not so much that she's "Independent", but rather she doesn't offer alternatives she'd be willing to go with to solve these issues that she seems to acknowledge are serious issues. If you're not willing to override the filibuster, come up with something you can get some Republicans onboard with, possibly like nationwide abortion exceptions for rape and incest or universal voter ID.

Jon Tester doesn't act like this despite similar circumstances.

[Mr. Smith]

Good Lord, at this point no one should be surprised, much less upset.  They're not changing for anything.

It’s easier for certain people to continue throwing tantrums than it is to admit defeat and start trying something else.

There is literally nothing that can be done.
The legislative branch is in complete paralysis because two cheap whores got paid to put it there. He can’t make laws by fiat.

Democrats could put up bills to protect abortions for reasons of the mother’s life, for rape, for incest, up to 12 weeks, up to 16 weeks, etc that would all get unanimous support from Democrats and split the Republicans. I don’t know if you’d get 60 votes, but it’s at least worth trying, and unlike what they are currently doing, it would unite the Democrats rather than encouraging more endless intraparty squabbling.

I posted a whole thread about this.

Democrats could easily pass a bill that allows for exceptions for rape, incest and health of mother. That would get 60 votes. But the twitter activist left won't let them because it would be seen as conceding.

I personally don't think a 12 week would get 10 republican votes but why not try? But Democrats in congress and twitter insist this is the hill to die on. All or nothing.

Why try if it's a foregone conclusion that it won't get 10 votes needed? Or have you forgotten about how ACA went down in the first place.